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No need for teachers to have guns....NRA nightmare!!!

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:26 pm
by elklindo69
Days after thwarting what could have been another Sandy Hook tragedy, Antoinette Tuff has become a household name. The school staffer who works in the front office at the Ronald E. McNair Discovery Learning Academy just of outside Atlanta, Ga., became a hero when she calmly and compassionately persuaded 20-year-old gunman Michael Brandon Hill to lay down his AK-47 style assault rifle. 911 tapes reveal that Tuff opened up to Hill about her life story, offered reassurance, and even told him at one point that she loved him.

Her instincts were spot on, and incredibly brave. But can they–and should they–be taught to every faculty member as part of an effort to improve school safety? A number of professionals say yes.

“She did all the things we try to teach negotiators,” said Clint van Zandt, former FBI profiler and hostage negotiator, on NewsNation Thursday. “She was a great ‘go-between,’ she identified with the aggressor, she offered help, she minimized what he had done, she helped develop a surrender ritual, she told him what to expect, and told the police what to expect, she offered love, said she was proud of him, she offered him a positive future–every one of those things is something we spend weeks teaching negotiators, and this lady did it intuitively.” According to school district spokesman Quinn Hudson, Tuff did have training for how to deal with situations involving trespassers and emergency protocol. He told CNN that Tuff and two other staffers were specifically trained to deal with hostile situations.

“The training is so often and extensive, they thought [the real situation] was a drill,” said Hudson. Gregory Thomas, former director of security for New York City schools, stressed the importance of safety drills on NewsNation Thursday, and said that training for these types of crises fits in with other emergency protocols. “It’s always important to do these kinds of drills under stress,” said Thomas. “We’re trying to move schools to the point of stressing people while they’re doing the drills, so they won’t just be doing them matter-of-factly.” Thomas said school safety was an “evolving practice,” and that the incident in Georgia would provide a lot of lessons.

Re: No need for teachers to have guns....NRA nightmare!!!

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 8:12 pm
by RealJustme
Calling her a hero is going a little far. She didn't risk her life, the guy showed up with a gun and she talked to him, good for her but hero? Had the guy went there to kill people he would have blown her away before she got a chance to tell him her life story. The guy's gun wasn't even loaded.

Now had he came in firing the gun and she took him down...then she would be a hero.

Re: No need for teachers to have guns....NRA nightmare!!!

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 8:38 pm
by johnforbes
Exactly.

It's a bit much to expect that future psychotics will just need a chat with an upbeat person.

Obviously, schools need armed security guards.

In this vale of tears, the only counter to force is force.

Strength deters. Weakness provokes.

Re: No need for teachers to have guns....NRA nightmare!!!

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:06 pm
by sillydaddy
Personally, I would have shit my pants !

Re: No need for teachers to have guns....NRA nightmare!!!

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:41 pm
by brandon
she offered love, said she was proud of him, she offered him a positive future
Conservatives make a national argument that these people are a product of dysfunction and the breakdown of a loving, nurturing family, and they are promptly dismissed as intolerant racists.

Good fuckin' post Elk.

Made my day.


:lol:

Re: No need for teachers to have guns....NRA nightmare!!!

Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:47 pm
by elklindo69
RealJustme wrote:Calling her a hero is going a little far. She didn't risk her life,
You say some stupid shit...but that has to be the icing on the cake.

Re: No need for teachers to have guns....NRA nightmare!!!

Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:48 pm
by elklindo69
johnforbes wrote:Exactly.

It's a bit much to expect that future psychotics will just need a chat with an upbeat person.

Obviously, schools need armed security guards.

In this vale of tears, the only counter to force is force.

Strength deters. Weakness provokes.
define strength, force, and weakness...

Re: No need for teachers to have guns....NRA nightmare!!!

Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:49 pm
by johnforbes
Strength = strength

Force = force

No Hayakawa needed here.