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Get rid of professional images mixed in with the amateurs. Make the main sites about what everyone was coming to them for to begin with. If you must have the same quality of porn everyone else is putting out, at least make it it's own area and not mixed in.

I agree.

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Create a safe comfortable atmosphere for all those girl next door types and you'll get more submissions than you can handle. MFF is not needed and not why people visit this site.

Agreed! MFF does not portray the "real" women that most of us joined the RC and HC sites to see. Part of the problem is that the MFF contributions seem to replace the real ones; thus, skipping the MFF's really cuts down on the percentage of entries available each day for viewing. I really have hopes that the reincarnated site will be and remain truly amateur!

I agree, dump MFF and hopefully our site will be intact, especially the RCBB

We ignored MFF from it's inception. Hate the concept, hate fake looking pictures.
There should be no option to post "anonymous". It breeds mean comments and childish behavior.
Just 2 cents from a couple of mangos.

Agree. Dump MFF

Please dump MFF. It added nothing to the site. horrible idea.

DarknLadyJedi wrote:Get rid of professional images mixed in with the amateurs. Make the main sites about what everyone was coming to them for to begin with. If you must have the same quality of porn everyone else is putting out, at least make it it's own area and not mixed in.

Agree, dump MFF the models are too fake, i joined this site for the real people, not plastic models

Absolutely, MMF staying = lots of long time loyal paying members leaving.

DarknLadyJedi wrote:Get rid of professional images mixed in with the amateurs. Make the main sites about what everyone was coming to them for to begin with. If you must have the same quality of porn everyone else is putting out, at least make it it's own area and not mixed in.

As said that beautiful Lady Jedi, get rid of MFF, we want amateur pictures :!:

Agreed. My membership is up soon, and if MFF is part of the new VoyeurWeb, I will not be renewing my RedClouds membership and will go back to free lurker status.

I enjoyed MFF as PAYING member over 3 months and it becomes better and better each day. I for me want it back.

People who don`t like it simply don`t click on the links and submit simply MORE "real Amateurcontent" of your own and not just talk.

we agree with this.. keep the site true to amateurs..

mr two of us !
Mrs two of us

I am not a fan of MFF, so I just don't click on it. I imagine that the webmaster can tell how many times a posting has been viewed. If MFF postings are attracting viewers, I don't think it would make sense for VW to dump them.

On the other hand, I completely agree with LastMango re: the comments. If you are going to post something, you should have to have a registered nic.

I agree with Dude....MFF was just starting to get better with real contributers starting to post there.

Why not just skip it if you do not like it .... That is one of the things I loved about VW...all of the options. Click what you like, ignore what you do not. I think variety o sbest to encompass all types of wants and needs.

Just my two cents...


On another note....can't wait to post again....hoping RC is back up soon!

This is a good thing!
We agree ...... :!:
" To the dump with MFF"
Love the amateur next door neighbor idea ...
That's why we pay the $$$.

I joined Redclouds because it was amateur based. MFF just made it another pron site on the Web. Please dump MFF. Keep Redclouds amateur format alive and healthy.

EXACTLY! its just a tease to get us to join yet another site for money. you can easily tell pics are staged and photos are prime concerne. we want the real girls.
erik

I agree, please dump Models for fun

DarknLady well said!(LJ is such a hottie ) MFF is not what we came to this place 13 years ago for. If you just have to go that way then make it another section like RC or homeclips etc.

I'll vote to dump MFF.

Agree no more mmf, they are nice to see, but not my idea of the real voyeurweb. So please drop them... :o

My main issue is that the anonoymous posters trash and bash people that submit pictures. I think that is a big problem with fewer people posting. Some advise just to ignore it, but its nasty and I know I don't want to see people do that to my wife. Respect is something that needs to be restored, or created.

I like the idea that you now have an option for submitters to opt out of comments, but in reality, submitters do want to be encouraged with positive comments.

I think there is a simple way to achieve all this. Keep the option to not have comments, but also set up a new category in the RC forum, like Sam's, Explicit, but this new category would be for comments on submissions.

Here is why and how. RC members can't have multi-nics (a great thing) and since that was implemented, trashing has stopped for the most part. submitters would then have a choice to do business as usual, along with comments, if that doesn't bother them, or they can opt out and still get a limited number of comments on RC. I know this will not please everyone, since they are not all RC, but it might really help with submitters that want to avoid the other crap. The submitter can decide if they want the RC thread and it should only last a few days. Guidelines would be that you shouldn't have forever on-going thread and not to have multiple threads at the same time. And of course, not every submitter will do this, so I think it could be manageable. The other advantage of this, is the submitter can add additional pictures, some that might be RC material plus be able to converse with others that care to know more about the photo shoot, or ask questions or encourage more submissions.

The current comment sections don't allow for additional pictures nor do most of the contributors respond there, so this idea could have multiple benefits.

As a footnote, those that register to comment in the free section, can still have multiple nics, so that doens't solve anything.

MFF are like basher, if you do not like them, ignore them. A naked woman is a naked woman and if she raises your lust level either by looks or pose, great. So far I’ve seen a few poses I like, but not all the silicone. There seemed to be fewer and fewer amateur posters over the years, in part, as explained by the previous admin, the sexting between phones, and the like, and the posting of pictures on the Video Chat. In other words, I have no problem with MFF ... but do not expect to go to their sites.

But you could make all Video Chatter cam’s visible to us lustful followers, even if they can block any and all PM’s if they desire.

The other thing about MFF, is that at one time there was a section of
"Girls with Sites". This section was dumped when "someone" decided to be totally
amateur not so long ago. I know that Homeclips declined at that time, and somedays you only get 4 to 6 videos, most of them short enought to post to the RC boards.

Personally, I didn't really care for MFF (the pay section, not male-female-female. That MFF (Male-female-female) I love! ). I admit that I did like the hippy chick with the natural bush on MFF, but that was pretty much it.

It's not a deal breaker for me. If you still keep it, I won't leave. However, I won't subscribe for it. Generally, I came her to look at the true amateurs and "wife next door" types.

I do not think you necessarily "dump" the MFF's. Rather I would like to see them put in their own section of VW. A section different from the amateurs.

Grandpa

I agree that VW was created for "Amateur" submitted pics and should not include pro shots from MFF or any other pro site. Get back to basics VW!!!

Do away with MFF. Like I said in a previous post, there are plenty of other sites one can visit to see fake boobs and retouched photos. I joined because I would rather see REAL women.

I Agree MFF does nothing for our site. I also think that if there were sub-catagories for
males, mature, and bbw/curvy it would keep the haters and hurtfull comments to a minimum. just my 2cents worth. 8-)

It took a long time to get her there, but anytime she is outside and thinks she can get away with it my wife of 30 years will drop her kit, pose for pics, and engage in a few adult activities.

She thinks she looks terrible and does not understand why I want this, but most everyone in this thread knows why (and every basher is too childish to figure it out). One nervous girl willing to go out there to please her boyfriend, husband, or just herself is 1000 times sexier than a 20 YO Barbie who made the calculation to do it for the money.

I've been here since it first went online in 1998 or so, sometimes a member, sometimes not, and that's why I never left. MFF is something I can get in 1000 other places, no different and no better, but the amateurs were here better than they were anywhere else. MFF holds no interest for me at all and is just site pollution.

Yes, I can skip it but I think it changes the attitude of management and the audience the moment you decide to allow (and worse intermingle) pros with the amateurs and expect it will be impossible long-term to keep that same, welcoming environment that brings the amateurs here. I suspect it just makes the bashers that much worse on the less-than-perfect contributors and will ultimately drive them away to other, similar sites. Soon you are left with nothing but pros and amateurs you suspect are pros.

So for me, it is the dealbreaker. I don't care what the arguement is, who is right, who is wrong, and who was first. I don't care who's idea was what. I don't care who was being illegal, immoral, or unethical. I don't care if either site survives. Neither are my friends, I am just their customer. I will go where the gals I want to see will go, and I really expect that will be where MFF is not.

DUMP IT!

Dump it. Lame idea, lame implementation, has nothing to do with the core business of this site.

NotSoSilent wrote:The other thing about MFF, is that at one time there was a section of
"Girls with Sites". This section was dumped when "someone" decided to be totally
amateur not so long ago. I know that Homeclips declined at that time, and somedays you only get 4 to 6 videos, most of them short enought to post to the RC boards.

I was just going to mention the old GWS. They were really dominant on HC when we first started posting five years ago. It was a little different from MFF insofar as most of the GWSs seemed to have started as amateur on VW/RC/HC and gone into GWS as a kind of profit-sharing arrangement within VW. Which doesn't sound so bad on the face of it, but they could only make money by generating a certain amount of traffic every month, which meant they had to crank out the material and there was a fake and pandering quality to their stuff, at least to my eyes, although they were much liked by a lot of viewers at the time. Some of us tried to lobby against them or to exclude them from prizes, but after generating a pretty lively and interesting BB discussion we were abruptly shut down by Igor/VW. A year or so later the GWS abruptly disappeared themselves. The story that eventually came out -- Igor offered no information at all, I think, but I had by then established offline communication with a couple of them -- was that their earnings were taxable in the US and VW was supposed to be responsible for collecting them which it hadn't done and it was shut down as part of a deal with the IRS.

These are approximate recollections, so correct me if I'm wrong.

On HC, MFF isn't really all that obtrusive, because they're labeled and appear at the bottom of the list every day. And I've only seen one ever even get into contention for a prize. People absolutely wail on them for their fakery and boob jobs, etc., etc. So I can't really see that VW can be making a whole lot of money off their videos, anyway. Fakery is more obvious in real time than in photos, at least to me (others may disagree).

Seems like a lot of people hate the MFF a lot more than they did GWS -- any thoughts on that?

I also do not like MFF. This started as an armature website and that is what I would like to continue to be.

I hereby pledge to never subscribe to a site with professional models mixed in -- D'Artagnan

No way, MFF is a great add-on to VW.
MFF tends to show nice looking girls, which I personally prefer definitely more.
I don't mind if they are not considered "amateur" as long as the photos are fine and refreshing and not too "professional".
Plus, the existence of MFF bears a HUGE advantage for VW:
I noticed in the past many many fake amateur submissions on VW, making it harder for the real amateurs to win a voting. With the creation of MFF, many of those "fakers" have moved to MFF, and their submissions are clearly marked and do not compete with the real amateur stuff anymore. So, VW itself has become "cleaner", and those who like the MFF girls have the option to join there.
Those who don't like MFF --- well, ignore the submissions marked MFF, but do not interfere with the wishes of those that DO want to see them ...
Where do you think the fakers will post if MFF does not exist anymore? ... they will return to VW ...

Dump the MFF: U agree this was orginally set up as an amature site for posting.

Over the years since the beginning inorder to make more and more money they (Igor) added and increased prices. Lost was the orginal thought behind the VW. I truly enjoyed the BB but then some people got in and ruined the truly interesting stories and subjects.

Let MFF exist, but not in VW or RC. Separed it

dump the mff go back to the original format

Agreed. MFF not appropriate for this group of "friends". Frustrating to have to tolerate another solicitation, too, though some of the MFF models are longstanding VW posters. Gone commercial, I guess.

I agree with the segregation of MFF. If you want it on the site then cool but don't put them at the end of each of the contri boards.

I don't agree with some of the rhetoric going about classification of posters. Thin, thick, tattooed, enhanced breasts, nose jobs, braces on their teeth, hair curled, etc.. blah blah blah.

Jeez, the four sections were fine.
I thought Freestyle was sort of odd but I guess it had it's place between Exposed in public and Private shots.
Anymore "sections" then that would take the fun out of it. Sure, not all posters appeal to me and my taste but it's not about MY taste.
Love the amateurs.

And oh yeah, spell check on the BB's. Thanks!

Not a fan of MFF. I prefer the spirit of amatuerism. If you have to keep it , please seperate so it is an easy ignore.

I'll chime in on this one. Yes, please play down the "pros". I realize it's a revenue stream, but all those thumbnails with links to separarely-subscribed content compromise the character of VW that has kept many of us loyal for so long (over ten years for me!). The two things I've always appreciated most about the site: first, that once I pay my annual fee, I'm not contstantly being pestered to buy more shit; and second, the focus on amateur models.

Thanks.

I agree too!!

MFF has no business as a part of VW/RC. As a separate site, fine. Just stay out of my amateurs!

Dump MFF for sure in this section. Have MFF submissions in there own category