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I for one am against it.

It sounds good when you say, " better health care for "everyone" at reduced prices". But it's clear that's nothing but a political lie. It's nothing but a feel good scam in an attempt to expand control of the Government and bring in new revenue to be spread amount the chosen few.

It's gratifying to see RealJustme come out against the 'unaffordable and don't care' health and insurance system of the 80's and 90's, where the insurance was unaffordable and the insurance companies didn't care about patients.

This RealJustme clown is becoming downright radical to bad mouth the old system this way.
But I didn't think he was smart enough to see that the 'new' system is just more of the same; a windfall for the insurance companies and little for consumers.


I agree with RealJustme, we should have gone with Obama's plan for a single payer system, but that's what you get when you let insurance companies extort you and then write the law.

Obamacare was rammed through with votes at midnight, in a blizzard, votes bought and sold via the "Cornhusker Kickback"...

Major social legislation should be bipartisan, not merely rammed through with one extra vote.

Or, in the instance of Obamacare, rammed through on the pretense that it was mere budgetary reconciliation.

95% of the businesses will not be affected by ACA.

The states with the greatest number of uninsured citizens, stand to gain the most.

Even nutjob necon Jan Brewer in Arizona figured out that if people lost their coverage then she would lose votes...

Real macroeconomics:

Basic Healthcare for all is very affordable, in fact it saves money.

Healthcare CAN NOT grow to consume the entire economy as many idiots have predicted. That is simple statistical nonsense by either totally ignorant or totally dishonest people.

Healthcare costs are a problem, the reasons are pretty clear and therefore the so0lutions are pretty clear. There simply is no honest effort to control healthcare costs, nor is their any incentive. It would take some real work and it would cut into the extreme excess profits of for-profit healthcare insurance companies. Healthcare insurance companies have strong incentive to see healthcare costs rise without restraint or limit. Congress is in their pocket.

All the arguments against universal healthcare and government oversight of the healthcare oligopoly are pure sham which very effectively preserves the excess profits of the major healthcare companies.

Very similar to the farce of the "financial" industry which also skims the economy.

Anything involving the federal government increases the cost.

Already, the U.S. spends something akin to 17 percent of GDP on health costs.

By 2020, it'll be 1/5 of the GDP.

Illegal immigrants will have full access to Obamacare via free urban and rural clinics, so America will be shouldering the burden of health care costs which should be paid by taxpayers in Mexico, El Salvador, etc.

The republican plan is to leave it the way it is, because they don't have a plan.

Or perhaps they will catch lightning in a bottle an get it revoked on the 38th try whatever they are up to now. Perhaps they should spend more time negotiating rather than wasting taxpayer dollars on useless attorney's fees.

OH wait, the baggers can't negotiate according to Boner. It's a dirty word. :-O

The Republican plan is to grandstand with meaningless gestures and false rhetoric to rile the base and get more money. It's been a key component of their long term strategy for a long time now. That and gather the worst of the worst into one political group to oppose all decency in America for the purpose of further concentrating wealth and power in the hands of the already wealthy and powerful at any and all expense to the American people.

I can hear it now, in 2016 when our medical care system collapses and basic care becomes unaffordable, liberals will be blaming the GOP for not giving the extra 2 trillion in costs needed to get it off of the ground. In the mean time we'll have 50,000 new Government employees surfing the net all day while their leaders taking the 5th or claiming they know nothing about the corruption that took place under their watch.

One thing for sure, Democrats who don't walk back their support for Obamacare will be voted out of office and the GOP will take both the House and the Senate...soooo, maybe Obamacare isn't such a bad thing after all???

In 2016, when the Republicans take over both houses...how long before they repeal the ACA, RealJustme?

Give us another of your priceless prognostications. :lol:

In 2016, when the Republicans take over both houses...

Dude, there is only one House, not two, it must be nice to be so out of touch with reality. :roll:

Two houses of Congress, one called the House of Representatives, one called the Senate.

If Repubs had no extra votes, and had to ram a health bill through by pretending it was mere budgetary reconciliation, and Repubs couldn't get one single Dem vote for their health bill, then Repubs would be wrong to push.

Dems did just that. Against the will of the people, and by pretending it was budgetary reconciliation, Dems pushed through Obamacare -- a massive bill unread by any legislator.

No wonder Obamacare is a mess. No wonder it has already increased health care costs.