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Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:27 am
by Leroy
http://www.policeone.com/Gun-Legislatio ... -thoughts/

1.) Virtually all respondents (95 percent) say that a federal ban on manufacture and sale of ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 rounds would not reduce violent crime.

2.) The majority of respondents — 71 percent — say a federal ban on the manufacture and sale of some semi-automatics would have no effect on reducing violent crime. However, more than 20 percent say any ban would actually have a negative effect on reducing violent crime. Just over 7 percent took the opposite stance, saying they believe a ban would have a moderate to significant effect.

3.) About 85 percent of officers say the passage of the White House’s currently proposed legislation would have a zero or negative effect on their safety, with just over 10 percent saying it would have a moderate or significantly positive effect.

4.) Seventy percent of respondents say they have a favorable or very favorable opinion of some law enforcement leaders’ public statements that they would not enforce more restrictive gun laws in their jurisdictions. Similarly, more than 61 percent said they would refuse to enforce such laws if they themselves were Chief or Sheriff.

5.) More than 28 percent of officers say having more permissive concealed carry policies for civilians would help most in preventing large scale shootings in public, followed by more aggressive institutionalization for mentally ill persons (about 19 percent) and more armed guards/paid security personnel (about 15 percent). See enlarged image

6.) The overwhelming majority (almost 90 percent) of officers believe that casualties would be decreased if armed citizens were present at the onset of an active-shooter incident.

7.) More than 80 percent of respondents support arming school teachers and administrators who willingly volunteer to train with firearms and carry one in the course of the job.

8.) More than four in five respondents (81 percent) say that gun-buyback programs are ineffective in reducing gun violence.

9.) More than half of respondents feel that increased punishment for obviously illegal gun sales could have a positive impact on reducing gun violence.

10.) When asked whether citizens should be required to complete a safety training class before being allowed to buy a gun, about 43 percent of officers say it should not be required. About 42 percent say it should be required for all weapons, with the remainder favoring training classes for certain weapons.

11.) While some officers say gun violence in the United States stems from violent movies and video games (14 percent), early release and short sentencing for violent offenders (14 percent) and poor identification/treatments of mentally-ill individuals (10 percent), the majority (38 percent) blame a decline in parenting and family values.

Bottom Line Conclusions
Quite clearly, the majority of officers polled oppose the theories brought forth by gun-control advocates who claim that proposed restrictions on weapon capabilities and production would reduce crime.

In fact, many officers responding to this survey seem to feel that those controls will negatively affect their ability to fight violent criminals.

Contrary to what the mainstream media and certain politicians would have us believe, police overwhelmingly favor an armed citizenry, would like to see more guns in the hands of responsible people, and are skeptical of any greater restrictions placed on gun purchase, ownership, or accessibility.

The officers patrolling America’s streets have a deeply-vested interest — and perhaps the most relevant interest — in making sure that decisions related to controlling, monitoring, restricting, as well as supporting and/or prohibiting an armed populace are wise and effective. With this survey, their voice has been heard.

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:05 am
by RealJustme
Contrary to what the mainstream media and certain politicians would have us believe, police overwhelmingly favor an armed citizenry, would like to see more guns in the hands of responsible people, and are skeptical of any greater restrictions placed on gun purchase, ownership, or accessibility.

The officers patrolling America’s streets have a deeply-vested interest — and perhaps the most relevant interest — in making sure that decisions related to controlling, monitoring, restricting, as well as supporting and/or prohibiting an armed populace are wise and effective. With this survey, their voice has been heard.
Leroy, Obamabots don't want information from those on the Officers on streets who have direct knowledge of gun violence and know restrictions on guns to good citizens only make gun violence worse. Obamabots rely on liberal ding bats like this for this information on guns:
A couple of days ago, I noted that Kathleen Sebelius doesn't seem to know how insurance works. Now Colorado's senior Democratic representative, who wants to ban extended magazines, appears to reveal that she doesn't know how the magazines that she wants to ban actually work:

Asked how a ban on magazines holding more than 15 rounds would be effective in reducing gun violence, DeGette said:

“I will tell you these are ammunition, they’re bullets, so the people who have those now they’re going to shoot them, so if you ban them in the future, the number of these high capacity magazines is going to decrease dramatically over time because the bullets will have been shot and there won’t be any more high capacity magazines available.”

What she didn’t appear to understand is that a magazine can be reloaded with more bullets. After her remarks, several in the audience in the forum at The Denver Post building chuckled. Amazingly several supporters of gun bans stood up and applauded her completely false information.
That's the type of information Obamabots like.

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:12 am
by BilboBagend
WOW, liar leroy cherry picks another survey.

Another on-line survey and therefor with a select subset of people who purport to be law enforcement officials and self identify their status as police, but are really just people who like police web sites. Still, 5% self-identify themselves as non-police. Not a real scientific controlled survey at all. More like a faux news survey or a text message MSNBC survey,

Still, some dishonest people can try to present it as representative of the general law enforcement community, but we know far better and are well experienced with these types of lies.

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:51 am
by brandon
38 % of them know that poor parenting or lack of parenting produces little criminal fucks.

Most of the cops are gun grabbers. They're as bad as kook lib gun fascists.

As far as restricting magazine capacity...that may help them when they get into a shootout with one of these liberals "things" raised by "the village".

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:27 pm
by Leroy
[quote="BilboBagend"]WOW, liar leroy cherry picks another survey./quote]

"More than 15,000 verified law enforcement professionals took part in the survey, which aimed to bring together the thoughts and opinions of the only professional group devoted to limiting and defeating gun violence as part of their sworn responsibility."

There you go - 15,000 VERIFIED LEP.....

It's must really drive you nuts when facts and truth contradict your hate.

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:46 pm
by BilboBagend
Please, lair leroy, let us know when the first time you use a fact openly and honestly or you finally tell an actual truth.

It's is clearly as I said. Not a real scientific survey. A self identifiable web survey of a highly specialized population of people who frequent a public website with a law enforcement theme.

Go see the results of any Ed Shultz text survey and you will get equally valuable insight into a specialized population that equally does not represent the general population or in the case of the survey you quote does not represent law enforcement professionals as you dishonesty represent, which is absolutely no surprise coming from you. Just dishonest and dishonorable business as usual from you.

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:25 pm
by elklindo69
According to the article below, the higher the rate of gun ownership. The higher the gun murder rate. Now you know why the NRA doesn't want the CDC or any other government agency to conduct an epidemiological study of gun violence...

http://www.statehealthfacts.org/compare ... =113&cat=2

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:40 pm
by RealJustme
According to the article below, the higher the rate of gun ownership. The higher the gun murder rate.
That explains why Chicago with only 8% gun ownership has a 21 times gun murder rate per 1,000 population compared to Alaska which has a 58% gun ownership. I believe gun murder rate has more to do with the culture of the people living there than the gun ownership rate. :lol:

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:54 pm
by Leroy
BilboBagend wrote:Please, lair leroy, let us know when the first time you use a fact openly and honestly or you finally tell an actual truth.

It's is clearly as I said. Not a real scientific survey. A self identifiable web survey of a highly specialized population of people who frequent a public website with a law enforcement theme.

Go see the results of any Ed Shultz text survey and you will get equally valuable insight into a specialized population that equally does not represent the general population or in the case of the survey you quote does not represent law enforcement professionals as you dishonesty represent, which is absolutely no surprise coming from you. Just dishonest and dishonorable business as usual from you.
It's amazing how many lies and distortions you will spew in order to claim something you believe isn't true.

"PoliceOne’s Gun Policy & Law Enforcement survey was conducted between March 4 and March 13, 2013. More than 15,000 officers completed the survey, which was promoted by PoliceOne exclusively to its 400,000 registered members, comprised of verified law enforcement professionals. Only current, former or retired law enforcement personnel were eligible to participate in the survey. The survey sample size was broadly distributed by geography and rank in proportion to the U.S. law enforcement community at large. Respondents comprised a variety of ranks from departments of all sizes, with the majority representing departments of greater than 500 officers. Of those that took the survey, 80 percent were current law enforcement officers and 20 percent were former/retired law enforcement."

Key point that you want to deny: " More than 15,000 officers completed the survey, which was promoted by PoliceOne exclusively to its 400,000 registered members, comprised of verified law enforcement professionals. Only current, former or retired law enforcement personnel were eligible to participate in the survey"

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:59 pm
by elklindo69
RealJustme wrote:
According to the article below, the higher the rate of gun ownership. The higher the gun murder rate.
That explains why Chicago with only 8% gun ownership has a 21 times gun murder rate per 1,000 population compared to Alaska which has a 58% gun ownership. I believe gun murder rate has more to do with the culture of the people living there than the gun ownership rate. :lol:
You're going to take a sub set of the population and extrapolate to the whole population by some type of meaningless correlation that no basis in fact. I suppose that is some type of conservative statistics taught by Rush Limpdick...

So how do you explain throughout the whole population, a higher gun ownership rate correlates to a higher gun murder rate. The raw data is there, and you can't deny it. Gun death rates are lower in states with higher restrictions...

It kind of blows the theory that guns don't kill people right out of the water....

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:13 pm
by RealJustme
It kind of blows the theory that guns don't kill people right out of the water....
The facts I posted blows your theory that higher gun ownership results in higher gun murders right out of the water. The fact is the higher the legal gun ownership the lower the gun murders. That explains DC, Chicago, Philly and all the other cities with high gun murders but guns being illegal. What science shows is the higher the number of blacks, the higher the gun murders. Maybe we should ban blacks?

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:13 pm
by Leroy
elklindo69 wrote:
RealJustme wrote:
According to the article below, the higher the rate of gun ownership. The higher the gun murder rate.
That explains why Chicago with only 8% gun ownership has a 21 times gun murder rate per 1,000 population compared to Alaska which has a 58% gun ownership. I believe gun murder rate has more to do with the culture of the people living there than the gun ownership rate. :lol:
You're going to take a sub set of the population and extrapolate to the whole population by some type of meaningless correlation that no basis in fact. I suppose that is some type of conservative statistics taught by Rush Limpdick...

So how do you explain throughout the whole population, a higher gun ownership rate correlates to a higher gun murder rate. The raw data is there, and you can't deny it. Gun death rates are lower in states with higher restrictions...

It kind of blows the theory that guns don't kill people right out of the water....
How are you going to explain that areas of the country with the strictest gun control/bans also have the highest violent gun crime rates?

California has some of the strictest weapons laws - yet they have the highest gun murder rate in the country (2011)
District of Columbia has the highest gun murder rate per capita of all states/areas (2011)

If those young adults in Texas has not been made victims by liberal zealots, less people would have been injured today.

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:57 pm
by elklindo69
RealJustme wrote:
It kind of blows the theory that guns don't kill people right out of the water....
The facts I posted blows your theory that higher gun ownership results in higher gun murders right out of the water. The fact is the higher the legal gun ownership the lower the gun murders. That explains DC, Chicago, Philly and all the other cities with high gun murders but guns being illegal. What science shows is the higher the number of blacks, the higher the gun murders. Maybe we should ban blacks?
So you're going to blame race??? WTF is up with that???

Then how do you explain why NYC has so many fewer murders than of comparable cities in the nation? With the lowest crime rates in decades.

So are the Black people that much more different in NYC than they are in Chicago???

Justme...you're really gasping for air!

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:03 pm
by elklindo69
[/quote]How are you going to explain that areas of the country with the strictest gun control/bans also have the highest violent gun crime rates?

California has some of the strictest weapons laws - yet they have the highest gun murder rate in the country (2011)
District of Columbia has the highest gun murder rate per capita of all states/areas (2011)

If those young adults in Texas has not been made victims by liberal zealots, less people would have been injured today.[/quote]

NY state has the strictest gun laws in the nation and...

With the decrease in murder, New York’s murder rate has fallen to 3.8 homicides per 100,000 residents. New York City has a far lower murder rate than other major American cities. For example:

· If New York City had the same murder rate as Washington DC, New York City would have a total of 1,100 murdered this year.
· If New York City had Chicago’s murder rate, New York City would have a total of more than 1,400 murders this year.
· If New York City had Philadelphia’s murder rate, New York City would have a total of more than 1,700 murders this year.
· If New York City had Baltimore’s murder rate, New York City would have a total of more than 2,870 murders this year.
· If New York City had Detroit’s murder rate, New York City would have a total of nearly 4,400 murders this year.


http://gothamist.com/2012/12/28/nyc_hit ... ate_in.php

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:15 pm
by RealJustme
So you're going to blame race??? WTF is up with that???
Science.

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:26 pm
by Leroy
elklindo69 wrote:
How are you going to explain that areas of the country with the strictest gun control/bans also have the highest violent gun crime rates?

California has some of the strictest weapons laws - yet they have the highest gun murder rate in the country (2011)
District of Columbia has the highest gun murder rate per capita of all states/areas (2011)

If those young adults in Texas has not been made victims by liberal zealots, less people would have been injured today.[/quote]

NY state has the strictest gun laws in the nation and...

With the decrease in murder, New York’s murder rate has fallen to 3.8 homicides per 100,000 residents. New York City has a far lower murder rate than other major American cities. For example:

· If New York City had the same murder rate as Washington DC, New York City would have a total of 1,100 murdered this year.
· If New York City had Chicago’s murder rate, New York City would have a total of more than 1,400 murders this year.
· If New York City had Philadelphia’s murder rate, New York City would have a total of more than 1,700 murders this year.
· If New York City had Baltimore’s murder rate, New York City would have a total of more than 2,870 murders this year.
· If New York City had Detroit’s murder rate, New York City would have a total of nearly 4,400 murders this year.


http://gothamist.com/2012/12/28/nyc_hit ... ate_in.php[/quote]

I'm waiting for you to explain Chicago, DC, and most other cesspools that have gun bans?

You can't use data for an entire state to show that gun bans work, you have to look at the areas were people congregate in masses to show the impact of Gun Bans on Gun Crimes.

Surely you can admit that Chicago and DC have the highest gun violence rates in the country, but they also have gun bans, and those gun bans are not working at all - so, please explain how you see that fact?

Also, every one of the mass killers would have been unable to legally buy/have weapons under existing laws if they had properly been reported to the authorities - but, they weren't, because the liberal system fails on personal responsibility. So, again, we see that gun bans and laws don't work because the liberals don't follow them, nor do the criminals, so, all gun bans only make victims out of good people.

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:15 pm
by BilboBagend
The best studies I have found lead to the conclusion that lair leroy lies yet again. The best conclusion is that gun crimes and gun control laws are uncorrelated WITHIN the United States. A result one would expect with a hodgepodge of state laws and huge loopholes in those laws. The simplest thing to do is to make laws ineffective. The NRA has done an excellent job on that front. That is all the stats prove. Thus, the real need for real strict national gun control laws. Pnly then will the stats mean anything. This round will not bring such laws thus we will likely not get clean stats from this round either. One more success of the gun manufacturers lobby, the NRA.

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:47 pm
by Leroy
BilboBagend wrote:The best studies I have found lead to the conclusion that lair leroy lies yet again. The best conclusion is that gun crimes and gun control laws are uncorrelated WITHIN the United States. A result one would expect with a hodgepodge of state laws and huge loopholes in those laws. The simplest thing to do is to make laws ineffective. The NRA has done an excellent job on that front. That is all the stats prove. Thus, the real need for real strict national gun control laws. Pnly then will the stats mean anything. This round will not bring such laws thus we will likely not get clean stats from this round either. One more success of the gun manufacturers lobby, the NRA.
Since you've never presented your data, never presented anything to make your case, we can only assume that you're lying again.

What we do know is that in areas were people open/conceal carry, in large numbers, the crime rate is lower than where guns are banned. We also know that a law-abiding armed population area has less gun crime and overall violent crime than areas where guns are banned or very strict rules regarding guns are in place.

Our existing laws are already more than enough to keep guns out of the hands of the truly mentally unstable, but the liberal justices/medical people fail the system by not reporting those unstable persons.

We also know that background checks, with unlimited holding of the data, directly ties LAW ABIDING citizens to guns, in effect creating gun registration, and does not lead to a reduction in gun crimes or allow solving of crimes any faster - but it does enable the government to find and take guns from citizens - as is happening in some locations already.

My experience on ranges with cops present is that most everyone I know shoots better, far more accurately, and responds better under pressure, but, as people like dildumb are only surrounded by violent natured, hate filled zealots, I would expect him to have just the opposite experience.

When there is no one to prevent a rape, murder, violent attack, there is no reason for the attackers to stop, and without citizens being able to protect themselves (other than pissing in their pants or claiming they have an STD), citizens will be violated in increasing numbers once the gun bans are enacted - the police are never present to stop these crimes 99.9% of the time.

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:22 am
by BilboBagend
You just stick to your lies, liar leroy. We all know you always do.

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:43 am
by Leroy
BilboBagend wrote:You just stick to your lies, liar leroy. We all know you always do.
Since you've never presented your data, never presented anything to make your case, we can only assume that you're lying again.

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:29 pm
by elklindo69
Leroy wrote:
BilboBagend wrote:Please, lair leroy, let us know when the first time you use a fact openly and honestly or you finally tell an actual truth.

It's is clearly as I said. Not a real scientific survey. A self identifiable web survey of a highly specialized population of people who frequent a public website with a law enforcement theme.

Go see the results of any Ed Shultz text survey and you will get equally valuable insight into a specialized population that equally does not represent the general population or in the case of the survey you quote does not represent law enforcement professionals as you dishonesty represent, which is absolutely no surprise coming from you. Just dishonest and dishonorable business as usual from you.
It's amazing how many lies and distortions you will spew in order to claim something you believe isn't true.

"PoliceOne’s Gun Policy & Law Enforcement survey was conducted between March 4 and March 13, 2013. More than 15,000 officers completed the survey, which was promoted by PoliceOne exclusively to its 400,000 registered members, comprised of verified law enforcement professionals. Only current, former or retired law enforcement personnel were eligible to participate in the survey. The survey sample size was broadly distributed by geography and rank in proportion to the U.S. law enforcement community at large. Respondents comprised a variety of ranks from departments of all sizes, with the majority representing departments of greater than 500 officers. Of those that took the survey, 80 percent were current law enforcement officers and 20 percent were former/retired law enforcement."

Key point that you want to deny: " More than 15,000 officers completed the survey, which was promoted by PoliceOne exclusively to its 400,000 registered members, comprised of verified law enforcement professionals. Only current, former or retired law enforcement personnel were eligible to participate in the survey"
(15,000/400,000)*100 = 3.75%

So do you think 3.75% is a representative sample?

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:33 pm
by elklindo69
BilboBagend wrote:The best studies I have found lead to the conclusion that lair leroy lies yet again. The best conclusion is that gun crimes and gun control laws are uncorrelated WITHIN the United States. A result one would expect with a hodgepodge of state laws and huge loopholes in those laws. The simplest thing to do is to make laws ineffective. The NRA has done an excellent job on that front. That is all the stats prove. Thus, the real need for real strict national gun control laws. Pnly then will the stats mean anything. This round will not bring such laws thus we will likely not get clean stats from this round either. One more success of the gun manufacturers lobby, the NRA.
That's exactly what the study proved in the link. A higher rate of gun ownership = higher rate of gun murders.

It's fully representative of the nation.

http://www.statehealthfacts.org/compare ... =113&cat=2

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:45 am
by BilboBagend
Self selecting web survey of a self selected subset of a portion of the general population that is interested in a web site that is self purported to be about supporting law enforcement officers and who take a survey and self identify their status as law enforcement officials.

The questions were pretty good. The methodology is a well known joke that is well known to give meaningless results.

As I said before.

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:23 pm
by Leroy
BilboBagend wrote:Self selecting web survey of a self selected subset of a portion of the general population that is interested in a web site that is self purported to be about supporting law enforcement officers and who take a survey and self identify their status as law enforcement officials.

The questions were pretty good. The methodology is a well known joke that is well known to give meaningless results.

As I said before.
No matter how you want to spin it, it's more accurate than any poll data you've posted on ANYTHING.

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:44 pm
by BilboBagend
LOL, well, you are consistent in your delusions liar leroy. as well as in your dishonesty, and dishonor. You do prove yourself to be conclusively and irrefutably a liar, dishonest, and dishonorable.

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:56 pm
by Leroy
BilboBagend wrote:LOL, well, you are consistent in your delusions liar leroy. as well as in your dishonesty, and dishonor. You do prove yourself to be conclusively and irrefutably a liar, dishonest, and dishonorable.
And yet you've not posted a SINGLE COUNTER to the findings of that survey.

You do prove yourself to be conclusively and irrefutably a liar, dishonest, and dishonorable.

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:25 am
by BilboBagend
Stick to your guns liar leroy. It only adds evidence.

Re: Police know gun control doesn't reduce crime - survey

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:54 am
by Leroy
BilboBagend wrote:Stick to your guns liar leroy. It only adds evidence.
Since you've not provided ANY evidence that my position is wrong, not in ANY OF YOUR POSTS, it would appear that all you have is the hope of misdirection working on the stupid, since you can't prove me wrong.