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The dumb-ass expected a cakewalk and got asked some real questions - if criminalizing drugs didn't get them off the streets, why will criminalizing guns? - Dumb-ass answered "There is no ban on guns, no one’s banning a gun.", except that's exactly what they want to do, ban guns, ban ammo, ban magazines, ban types of modifications.... BAN, BAN, BAN....

Bump for a rational answer.

What's next? Leroy won't be able to purchase a rocket launcher at his favorite sporting goods store? If Leroy can't get a Stinger, then his rights have been trampled!

Gun nuts claim that the 2nd amendment allows for the citizenry to possess firearms to protect against a tyrannical government.

Even though the constitution clearly states that the federal government is to provide a national defense.

So the framers of the constitution intended to arm the populous so they can overthrow the government that was entrusted to protect them??????

You can't reason with the gun nutjobbery....

You just can't reason with someone like Elk that believes a Government will never turn on its people - the Germans had the same way of thinking, as did the Egyptians, Syrians, etc....

What elk misses is that the "Common Defense ... of the United States" has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment.

The real nut job is the one that ignores the clear wording of the 2nd Amendment and that believes his government will never turn against him.

Leroy wrote:You just can't reason with someone like Elk that believes a Government will never turn on its people - the Germans had the same way of thinking, as did the Egyptians, Syrians, etc....

What elk misses is that the "Common Defense ... of the United States" has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment.

The real nut job is the one that ignores the clear wording of the 2nd Amendment and that believes his government will never turn against him.

Militias consisting of private gun owners are incapable of resisting any invasion or insurrection. Does the Whiskey rebellion ring a bell. It's exactly the opposite, a simple web search would indicate that there are dozens of neocon insurrection groups operating in the backwoods of the nation.

So historically how many democratically elected governments were over thrown by budding authoritarian regimes?

elklindo69 wrote:

Leroy wrote:You just can't reason with someone like Elk that believes a Government will never turn on its people - the Germans had the same way of thinking, as did the Egyptians, Syrians, etc....

What elk misses is that the "Common Defense ... of the United States" has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment.

The real nut job is the one that ignores the clear wording of the 2nd Amendment and that believes his government will never turn against him.

Militias consisting of private gun owners are incapable of resisting any invasion or insurrection. Does the Whiskey rebellion ring a bell. It's exactly the opposite, a simple web search would indicate that there are dozens of neocon insurrection groups operating in the backwoods of the nation.

So historically how many democratically elected governments were over thrown by budding authoritarian regimes?

There are dozens of Democrat insurrection groups operating in the OPEN in this country, and they have direct support in our current government - they are trying to overthrow the Constitution.

If you really think that "Militias consisting of private gun owners are incapable of resisting any invasion or insurrection." then you're a complete loon. There is a dramatic difference between wanting to drink Alcohol and wanting FREEDOM. Most countries citizens rise up against governments turned Fascist - get out of your bunker.

Leroy wrote:

elklindo69 wrote:

Leroy wrote:You just can't reason with someone like Elk that believes a Government will never turn on its people - the Germans had the same way of thinking, as did the Egyptians, Syrians, etc....

What elk misses is that the "Common Defense ... of the United States" has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment.

The real nut job is the one that ignores the clear wording of the 2nd Amendment and that believes his government will never turn against him.

Militias consisting of private gun owners are incapable of resisting any invasion or insurrection. Does the Whiskey rebellion ring a bell. It's exactly the opposite, a simple web search would indicate that there are dozens of neocon insurrection groups operating in the backwoods of the nation.

So historically how many democratically elected governments were over thrown by budding authoritarian regimes?

There are dozens of Democrat insurrection groups operating in the OPEN in this country, and they have direct support in our current government - they are trying to overthrow the Constitution.

If you really think that "Militias consisting of private gun owners are incapable of resisting any invasion or insurrection." then you're a complete loon. There is a dramatic difference between wanting to drink Alcohol and wanting FREEDOM. Most countries citizens rise up against governments turned Fascist - get out of your bunker.

Name one instance where a citizen's militia group has overthrown an authoritarian regime though an armed conflict????

Name one in recent time, we all want to know.

Look at Iraq, every swinging dick and then some owned a hand gun, rifle, shotgun, assault rifle, automatic weapon and so on. They had weapons that are banned here in the United States. Saddam didn't give a rats ass whether or not the population had firearms. He was a dictator who ruled with an iron fist for years and nobody attempted to ever over throw his regime. So how successful were they in defeating Saddam? Now you have the revolution in Egypt, where there was very little private ownership of firearms, and how do you think they defeated that military dictatorship? Does Facebook or Twitter ring a bell?

If you haven't realized it, the government has an insurmountable advantage in weaponry and brute force. They have tanks, bombers, cruise missiles, aircraft carriers, intercontinental ballistic nuclear submarines, and other types of fancy weaponry that can annihilate you in your sleep.

OH BTW.... Red Dawn was just a movie.

Wolverine!!!!!

:lol:

Elkindo69
You just ain't whistling "Dixie" in you comments, or are you? Possibly a few gun nuts here should check how that armed rebellion ran its course, what meaninful important changes did the south bring about from their idea of a new and independent govt. Maybe this Far right revolutionary wing of zelots today are more commited than those poorly led downtroden 150 years ago.
But no worries, I hear of a new "El Dorado" out there. It called "Gault".....I wish a few would go there, now that would be a story
Me thinks not

elklindo69 wrote:If you haven't realized it, the government has an insurmountable advantage in weaponry and brute force. They have tanks, bombers, cruise missiles, aircraft carriers, intercontinental ballistic nuclear submarines, and other types of fancy weaponry that can annihilate you in your sleep.

And OUR military is made up of people that believe in the Constitution, not the leadership, and that's why they serve.

You wait and see, when they (politicians and liberals) fix it so that only Criminals can have guns, since they don't follow laws, and once the crime rate shoots up about 30%, there will be millions of gun owners that didn't surrender their Constitutional Weapons and they won't have to fight our Military, the Military won't be able to respond quick enough, and Hitlers (Obama's) Nazi corps as well as his Nazi EPA and other fascist agencies won't be able to stop the return to a Constitutional Government.

Name one instance where a citizen's militia group has overthrown an authoritarian regime though an armed conflict????

So you never heard of the American Revolution? The American Revolution was when armed citizens came together during the last half of the 18th century to break from the British Empire, to become the United States of America. If hadn't been for armed citizens stepping in, there would be no United States of America. :mrgreen:

Elk, maybe you should look at this wiki page, look at the MAP near the bottom - look at the Civil Wars, the OVERTHROWN, GOVERNMENT CHANGES, all of those were PEOPLE ousting the government - and this was just the "Arab Spring".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Spring

Iceland's Government was overthrown with Citizen Protests....

Many countries in Africa have been overthrown by the people, many times....

Our own country was overthrown in what turned out to be the start of the country as we know it today, and that liberals are doing their best to destroy from within.