The Amateur Message Boards of the World Famous VoyeurWeb

Thoughts?

johnny, why do you always ask if you have any thoughts when you so obviously don't have any thoughts?

If you have thoughts to discuss....any thoughts at all....just post them. You don't need to ask permission.

Reports say Obama had a long heart to heart talk with Joe...
Trump once said Obama was running things and I think he's right..

Since johnforbes has gone begging for some thoughts to fill his empty skull, here's a boatload of Republicans with some principled thoughts on this subject:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... b482&ei=69

(particularly starting at time stamp 6:45)

The powers that be are asking Joe to step down...
In an interview, Joe said in so many words, only if his health was the issue.
Well, he has covid...
It would be kinda poetic , if that was what took him off the ballot.. ..think about it..

Clowntoker has been saying that covid was nothing to sneeze at.

In that vein, Clownslacker has gotten a grand total of 49 mRNA shots, and that was not easy inasmuch as Clown's arms are pipestem scrawney...

It figures that when johnforbes posts here again that he only has another pathetic diversion since he couldn't refute a thing that either I or a dozen Republicans just told him. As always, you present johnforbes with a few thoughts he's so desperate for and he hasn't a clue what to do with them.

But johnny's silly impotent posturing does remind me of the video I shot of him at his last pool party down at his Fire Island retreat. He had invited one token woman so that he could convince himself he isn't really the flaming queen he shows himself to be on a regular basis.

(Particularly note johnny's necklace as he's dressed up as yet another fruity 'cowboy' trying to look straight by dry humping the woman in a three way at time stamp :41 --Oooh, so manly. --Just one more Republican bitch.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rORqh-tCKEY

Zelensky calls Trump and the Left is already hinting of a possible violation of the Logan Act...

Zelensky calls Trump and sillydummy is already hinting that he's just fine with an unauthorized private citizen negotiating U.S. foreign policy as long as someone called him up first...

Didn't Joe's staffer proclaim he had gotten a total of 10 mRNA shots and boosters?

Didn't he then get covid?

Despite his ample forebrain, Mr Forbes is neither a medical doctor nor a scientist, but merely a charming, handsome fellow gracing the Worldwide Interwebs.

Leave it to dimwit johnny to come and reiterate his gross ignorance of all things scientific. Believe me, johnny, it is entirely unnecessary. Your failings in grasping simple scientific principles are both legendary and public knowledge.

Of course no vaccines are perfect, and the mRNA vaccines are no different. I understood this about vaccines when I was in grade school, and johnforbes thinks I'm stupid. (Then what does that tell you about johnforbes' intelligence? He still doesn't understand.) johnforbes is still ignorant of this basic scientific knowledge even at his advanced age. It's enough to make us question just how senile dimwit johnny actually is. It's quite likely that he is approaching the "Donald Trump" level of mental failings.

But were they even vaccines?

Weren't they just mRNA therapy untested on humans?

"But were they even vaccines?"-dimwitforbes

Yes, they absolutely are vaccines, dimwit. If you would simply look up the definition of "vaccines" in a dictionary you would have known this years ago.
I understand that authoritative sources are anathema to a dishonest partisan scumbag like johnfoibles, but his immense ignorance of science doesn't alter a single fact, now does it.


"Weren't they just mRNA therapy untested on humans?"-Dishonestjohbn

No, dummy, they absolutely WERE tested on humans. It is called a phase 2 vaccine study.

Again, for the grossly ignorant (yes, YOU, johnny)
"What is Phase 2 of the COVID vaccine trial?
Methods: This phase 2, randomized, observer-blind, placebo-controlled trial was conducted at 8 sites in the USA, in healthy adults aged ≥18 years with no known history or risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection, and had not previously received an investigational CoV vaccine or treatment.May 12, 2021"

Just because you are unaware of how vaccines are tested does not mean they were not tested, dimwit.
But it IS pretty funny to see you here criticizing Trump for his speedy development and release of the COVID vaccines.
Are you saying publicly that he was incompetent?

Care to parade you incredible scientific ignorance further, johnny, or does reality suffice in this case?

There was no time to test those experimental mRNA shots on humans, and outfits such as Pfizer admitted the didn't.

As always, Mr Forbes stands ready to accept Clown's apology.

I am deeply sorry that all johnforbes ever has to offer is truly absurd made up stupid shit, such as his moronic post above.

I am also sorry that johnforbes feels that Trump was so egregiously derelict in his duty as President regarding Operation Warp Speed as he desperately tried to get the vaccines released even sooner before the election.

Operation Warp Speed was, in many ways, a mistake because speed and scientific research don't mix well.

The mRNA shots were rushed to market, and Big Pharma made 8 billion, but excess deaths and shot injury info has been pouring in as to the problems.

It's not often that johnforbes admits that Trump, as President, was derelict in his duty to the American people, but at least johnny's on record now condemning how Trump tried to get the vaccines released prematurely before the election for his own selfish political ends.

Kudos, johnny.

The reason they hastened to develop a vaccine was there was a global pandemic.

The responses thereto were deeply flawed, as we now know.

The excess death stats tell a grim tale.

We now know that HCQ and Ivermectin were claimed not to work so that Big Pharma could make 8 billion developing new drugs.

We now know that lockdowns destroyed jobs, fomented depression and divorce and drug abuse, and delayed herd immunity.

Were they wrong to rush the vaccine? It sure looks like it because the mRNA shots were claimed to make it impossible for you to get covid, spread it, be hospitalized with it, or die of it.

All wrong.

"...the mRNA shots were claimed to make it impossible for you to get covid, spread it, be hospitalized with it, or die of it."-john'Goebbels'forbes

NOBODY, EVER claimed any such thing, johnny. Certainly not any scientist or medical official. You simply made it up, as you make up everything you post. You really need to stop getting your scientific information from internet gossip sites.

Your idiotic, dishonest posts are as bad as attending a Trump campaign rally. Nothing but endless droning, mind-numbing lies for the dimwitted.

No, everybody claimed precisely that, and there are many compilations of video evidence to that effect.

The assertions were behind the covid shot mandates, and the claims were that covid shots would prevent people from getting covid-19, spreading it, being hospitalized because of it, or perishing due to it.

All -- sad to say -- were completely wrong.

"No, everybody claimed precisely that, and there are many compilations of video evidence to that effect."-johnfibs

No, scumbag, NOBODY EVER claimed any such things. You made it up. And unsurprisingly you haven't got a single "video compilation" that says what you claim. That you failed to produce even one such alleged video (despite claiming the are "many") to support your lie is evidence that you actually watched a couple of them and now realize that none of them say what you claim. That's why you didn't post them.


"...the claims were that covid shots would prevent people from getting covid-19, spreading it, being hospitalized because of it, or perishing due to it."-johnflubs

Yes, dimwit, all of that is true. The vaccines prevented millions of people from getting COVID and thus prevented millions of transmissions, and over 95% of the people hospitalized were dimwitted anti-vaxers who followed your evil propaganda and refused the vaccines, instead taking horse dewormer and probably drinking bleach at Trump's suggestion.

But notice that NOT A SINGLE PERSON ever said that the vaccines would make those things "impossible" -- NOBODY -- you made it up.
Any child knows that no vaccines are perfect. And any intelligent adult who listened to the vaccine manufacturers would ever believe such nonsense after the manufacturers themselves only claimed the vaccines had a 92% efficacy. For the incorrigibly stupid like johnforbes, that means that 8% of vaccinated people exposed to COVID would still contract the disease. They told everybody this right up front.
(As any educated person knows, 92% efficacy is a GREAT vaccine, by the way.)

EVERY REPUTABLE NEWS SOURCE reported those phase 2 trial results. That you only listened to FOXnews and internet gossip sites is no excuse for repeating your partisan lies that got millions of people killed needlessly. Those excess deaths are on YOUR head, johnny. because you continued to repeat your lies for years and millions of Trump supporters STILL were never vaccinated and the delay of reaching herd immunity is the result of your propaganda encouraging people not to get vaccinated.

To this day, all of your partisan propaganda -- sad to say-- is completely wrong. And the fact that you know it's a lie and continue to spread those lies makes the resulting needless excess deaths your responsibility.

Tons of evidence in support of the fabulous Forbes remain available and still unerased by leftists:

I appreciate johnforbes providing the evidence that supports the fact of his lying about the vaccines.

As the man in the video said, the vaccines boost immunity and prevent hospitalizations into the high 90s%. That is why nearly all hospitalizations were unvaccinated Trump suporters in this country. A small percentage of them were vaccinated, as the expert informed dimwit johnny yet again.

Now, please be so kind as to provide a link to even one video of someone saying the vaccines made contracting, transmitting, and being hospitalized for COVID "impossible".

Thank you in advance, you lying sack of shit. Otherwise, stop making such a fool of yourself.

There is ample evidence everywhere to support Mr Forbes' principled assertion that it was commonly claimed that the mRNA shots would:

prevent covid
prevent spread
prevent hospitalization due to covid
prevent death due to covid

Sadly, all wrong.

"...it was commonly claimed that the mRNA shots would:
prevent covid
prevent spread
prevent hospitalization due to covid
prevent death due to covid"-Dishonestjohn

Dimwit, every one of those claims are true. The vaccines saved millions of lives, prevented millions of transmissions, and prevented hundreds of thousands of hospitalizations. But none of those things are what you claimed in your unprincipled assertion that the vaccines would make those things "impossible"

When you get caught lying like that, you can't just flail about and try to change your argument to be something else. You lied repeatedly, you were caught repeatedly, and you are still a dishonest partisan tool, REPEATEDLY.

And it is still true that NO ONE EVER CLAIMED the vaccines would make all those things "impossible". You made it up, as your inability to produce evidence of a single person making such claims proves.

But they were not true vaccine shots at all.

Would that they were, but alas not.

Each and every claim made for them was -- sad to say -- wrong.

They did not prevent covid, prevent it spreading, prevent hospitalization therewith, or death thereof.

Of course they are true vaccines, johnny. Just ask Yale Medicine.

Let's hear what the 'radial leftists' (as johnforbes calls them) at Yale Medicine says about the vaccines, shall we?

"In its recommendations for the most recent vaccines, the CDC also cited a study showing the risk of cardiac complications, including myocarditis (an inflammation of the heart muscle), in males 12-17 years old was 1.8–5.6 times higher after a COVID infection compared to after COVID vaccination."

"Moderna’s initial Phase 3 clinical data in December 2020 was similar to Pfizer-BioNTech’s—both vaccines showed about 95% efficacy for prevention of COVID. Later data on real-world effectiveness for adults showed that the protection from the mRNA two-dose primary series wanes over time, but booster doses brought the immune system back to robust levels."

"How well it works: Novavax has reported that its updated COVID vaccine can generate an immune response against emerging strains of the coronavirus. Earlier studies of its original vaccine showed it to be 90% effective overall against lab-confirmed, symptomatic infection and 100% effective against moderate and severe disease in Phase 3 trial results published in The New England Journal of Medicine in December 2021."
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid ... comparison


johnny, your last post was all made up stupid shit. Every claim for the vaccines was right. They DID prevent covid, DID prevent it spreading, DID prevent hospitalization therewith, or death thereof. Yale Medicine says so. Whereas johnforbes is the only self-admittedly ignorant clown who says what johnforbes says.

Who to listen to? Hmmm, tough decision. Trained medical people backed up by science? Or johnforbes, backed up by nothing and no one?

I did not say Yale denizens were "radial leftists"...

The left front tire on the Range Rover of Mr Forbes is a radial leftist...

See, johnforbes couldn't refute a thing said by the Yale experts.

Instead all he can do is divert with a typo, as though he ever posts the word "leftist" without the qualifier of "radical".

Well, when you've got nothin' what else can you do, eh? Dimwit johnny honestly doesn't understand how foolish he looks when he can't support his lies with any evidence. The Emperor was no different about his lavish new clothes.

Fauci just got COVID for a third time after being “vaccinated” and boosted six times.

Trust the science!

Yes, it's good to know that Fauci didn't have to be hospitalized or die from COVID because he was been vaccinated, isn't it, johnny.

That's what happens when you trust the science. You continue to live, unlike all the dimwitted Trump supporters who died from COVID because they refused the vaccines.

Because Fauci caught covid 3 times, it is sadly clear that he had NOT been "vaccinated" but instead had gotten 6 booster mRNA gene therapy shots.

Which were -- manifestly -- unavailing.

"Because Fauci caught covid 3 times, it is sadly clear that he had NOT been "vaccinated" but instead had gotten 6 booster mRNA gene therapy shots."-johnfoibles

johnny, old conventional vaccines are "DNA gene therapy shots" if you want to play that game.

And the new vaccines are "mRNA gene therapy shots."

And they are both vaccines, by definition. Just because they use a different source technology does not stop them from being vaccines, dummy.

Take the word of Yale Medical, fer cripes sake. Your partisan internet gossip sites are causing you to make a fool of yourself.

The relevant point is that shots in the past actually stopped the disease process.

Sadly, the mRNA shots for covid didn't prevent getting it, spreading it, being hospitalized with it, or dying of it.

"The relevant point is that shots in the past actually stopped the disease process."-johnflubs

No, they didn't, dummy. They triggered an immune response in one's immune system creating antibodies that allowed them to fight off a future infection. Those antibodies are what "stopped the disease process." The vaccines didn't stop anything. They started antibody production.

This is exactly what the mRNA vaccines do.

The problem with your lie above is that "shots in the past" did not have 100% efficacy either. For example, the Salk polio vaccine only had 60-70% prevention capability and actually induced polio in hundreds of recipients, even killing some. But that relatively small number of adverse effects was not enough to stop the vaccine and thus the eradication of polio in this country. And ironically, the few cases of polio that do crop up in the U.S. today are almost always caused by the Sabin polio vaccine itself. If johnforbes had his way, he would rather the very few negative effects stop the mRNA vaccines and let millions more be hospitalized and die needlessly.

As we can see, what johnforbes knows about vaccines couldn't fill a syringe.

i often wonder if john is clown as a "sparing partner", so clown can show off his ability of squashing stupid with intellect and facts. kinda' like masturbation, you have a fantasy debate and finish it yourself.

Diver, that isn't true.

Clown logged onto this web site on a foggy morning in mid-April of 1937.

His role was to post as a leftist halfwit, and to endlessly push forward vapid socialist ideology.

But the sad truth is that Clowntoker couldn't tell Karl Marx from Groucho Marx...

I was worried about this. divermouse's humorous post was used as an excuse by johnforbes to weasel out of responding concerning his gross ignorance surrounding vaccines and how they work.

Now johnny's just going to pretend he didn't see how wrong he was all these years and then act like nobody caught him promoting partisan lies based on that ignorance.

As Walt Whitman said, the mind of Mr Forbes is large and can contain multitudes.

The mRNA shots were experimental gene therapy, alas, and not true vaccines.

Also, Whitman was apparently a pansy poet in the same sense that Clowntoker is a simpering socialist.

Multitudes of steaming piles of bullshit. Mrna cannot be used as a gene editing treatment. It's not physically possible. You just made up that steaming pile of bullshit.

Apparently there is no way to immunize Johnnie from being stupid....

See? johnforbes simply repeats his unsupported bullshit A la Trump, because like Trump he thinks that if you repeat a lie enough times, people will believe it. (Well, I guess they will it they're dimwited Republicans.)

Now, let's see what another reputable medical organization called Johns Hopkins Medicine that knows much than dimwitted johnforbes does about the subject, and which he will of course ignore because they are authoritative has to say:


"What is a vaccine?
A vaccine is a medical treatment that helps your body’s immune system recognize and fight disease." [e.g. the mRNA COVID vaccines]


"How do vaccines work?

A vaccine introduces the body to an ingredient that mimics the appearance or behavior of a pathogen that could make you sick. [e.g. the mRNA COVID vaccines]

Those ingredients are called antigens. An antigen might be a germ that has been killed or changed so it cannot cause disease. It can be something that looks or behaves like a pathogen, a harmless part of a pathogen, or instructions for the body to manufacture the harmless part.

When the body encounters the antigen in a vaccine, the immune system responds to the antigen and recognizes it as an unwanted invader. It creates specific defenses called antibodies that work against that particular pathogen.

Later, if the body encounters the whole, active germ in the environment, the immune system is prepared to respond quickly to fight it and help the person resist disease."


"What does a vaccine do?

When you are vaccinated, the antigen enters your body. Special cells called antigen-presenting cells, or APCs, circulate throughout the body looking for invaders.

When an APC encounters the antigen from the vaccine, it consumes it. Then, the APC displays a part of the antigen on its outer wall, like a trophy that other cells in the immune system can detect." [Notice that vaccines themselves didn't "actually [stop] the disease process" as johnforbes lied repeatedly about. It triggered the immune system to produce antibodies against an antigen]

"Can I still get sick if I have been vaccinated?

In some cases, yes. Whereas some vaccines effectively block illness, other vaccines only prevent the most severe form of a disease.

An example is the COVID-19 vaccine, which does not keep you from getting infected with the coronavirus that causes COVID, but can help prevent you from getting dangerously sick from that virus.

Another example is influenza: You might get the flu even when you’ve received a flu shot. This is because each season, flu viruses change (mutate). There are many flu viruses circulating. The yearly flu shot only protects you from the three or four most severe ones: that’s all manufacturers can “fit” into that year’s flu vaccine. You may still get infected with a milder flu virus that wasn’t included in the shot."

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/ ... s/vaccines

So now johnforbes has been spoon-fed the facts from two world class medical organizations; Yale Medicine and Johns Hopkins Medicine, both of which support my assertions. johnny, as admittedly ignorant of the science as he is and as is his wont, merely regurgitates his unsupported lies over and over. Who should intelligent people believe?

The average pincushion has had less needles than Fauci.

He got at least 10 of the mRNA covid shots, which of course simply had no longitudinal safety or efficacy data because they were new and experimental.

Result?

Fauci got covid a third time.

Let's review: The purported purpose of the mRNA shots was to AVOID getting covid, not to get it THREE times.

"The purported purpose of the mRNA shots was to AVOID getting covid, not to get it THREE times."-johnfibs

No, dimwit, the actual purpose of the mRNA vaccines is to avoid hospitalization and dying of COVID, you moron, just the same as the flu vaccines that millions of people get each year--and which are also actual vaccines that don't have 100% efficacy in preventing people from getting the flu.

We all noticed that you tried to slither away from the truth about the mRNA VACCINES, dimwit. You failed again.

Ignoring facts is not a rebuttal, dummy.

Did anyone notice that johnflubs made his last post immediately after reading the Johns Hopkins article on vaccines. And more specifically, immediately after reading THIS:

""Can I still get sick if I have been vaccinated?
In some cases, yes. Whereas some vaccines effectively block illness, other vaccines only prevent the most severe form of a disease.

An example is the COVID-19 vaccine, which does not keep you from getting infected with the coronavirus that causes COVID, but can help prevent you from getting dangerously sick from that virus.

Another example is influenza: You might get the flu even when you’ve received a flu shot. This is because each season, flu viruses change (mutate). There are many flu viruses circulating. The yearly flu shot only protects you from the three or four most severe ones: that’s all manufacturers can “fit” into that year’s flu vaccine. You may still get infected with a milder flu virus that wasn’t included in the shot."-Johns Hopkins Medicine

johnforbes has the reading comprehension of your typical Trump supporter. And he has an understanding of vaccines and how they work that is comparable to a pile of dog shit on the sidewalk--Good for nothing and it really stinks.

Mr Forbes did not get polio, and that is one reason why his physique is tan and tawny.

Clowntoker is mistaking a genuine vaccine for the experimental mRNA shots which Fauci got 10 of, and then got covid for the third time.

Meanwhile, the lungs of Mr Forbes are as clear as a mountain stream.

Once again johnforbes is claiming he is more authoritative about vaccines than Yale Medicine and Johns Hopkins Medicine.

This is puzzling because he has repeatedly informed us that he is not a doctor nor a scientist. And he refuses to consider anything authoritative sources have to say on the subject, such as the people who actually developed, tested, manufactured, and did follow-up studies of the efficacy of the COVID vaccines.

So, since johnforbes has nothing whatsoever to offer by way of refutation of Yale Medicine or Johns Hopkins Medicine, I guess we're done here. I've humiliated the poor ignorant sap enough.

I trust dimwit johnny will come back to post another embarrassing, self-humiliating comment, and then we can all laugh at him one last time and move on.

It is true that Clown is neither a doctor nor a scientist.

Neither is the fabulous Forbes (despite all his many and various other merits).

But Mr Forbes has research staffers who have the same simple mission which Robert Redford had in "Three Days of the Condor" -- read everything, and apply it to contemporary reality.

And the hair of Mr Forbes is real, unlike that of RR.

^^^^^^ What did I tell you...^^^^^^

What did Mr Forbes tell you, or me, or any of us?

Just this:

It is true that Clown is neither a doctor nor a scientist.

Neither is the fabulous Forbes (despite all his many and various other merits).

But Mr Forbes has research staffers who have the same simple mission which Robert Redford had in "Three Days of the Condor" -- read everything, and apply it to contemporary reality.

And the hair of Mr Forbes is real, unlike that of RR.