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Apparently Trump employed the services of the Pool Boy a Butler and the IT guy to pull off the crime of the century. No wonder why all of these idiots will be going to prison....

Prosecutors accuse Trump of scheming with his valet, Walt Nauta, and a Mar-a-Lago property manager, Carlos De Oliveira, to conceal the footage from federal investigators after they issued a subpoena for it. Video from the property would ultimately play a significant role in the investigation because, prosecutors said, it captured Nauta moving boxes of documents in and out of a storage room — including a day before an FBI visit to the property. The boxes were moved at Trump’s direction, the indictment alleges.

According to the indictment, Nauta met with De Oliveira on June 25, 2022, at Mar-a-Lago, where they went to a security guard booth where surveillance video is displayed on monitors and walked with a flashlight through a tunnel where the storage room was located, observing and pointing out surveillance cameras.

Two days later, according to the indictment, De Oliveira walked through a basement tunnel with an unidentified Trump employee to an audio closet, where De Oliveira in a private conversation asked how many days the server retained footage.

De Oliveira, prosecutors said, told the employee that “the boss” wanted the server deleted and asked, “What are we going to do?”

During a voluntary interview with the FBI last January, prosecutors say, De Oliveira lied when he said he “never saw nothing” with regard to boxes at Mar-a-Lago.

De Oliveira was added to the indictment, charged with obstruction and false statements related to that FBI interview. His lawyer declined to comment Thursday evening.

But you do realize Smith prosecuted McDonnell of VA, got him out of office for political reasons, but then was
reversed 8 to 0 by the Sup Ct (one non vote).

This is lawfare -- the use of the legal process to punish people with meritless cases.

So we have gone from Watergate to a scheme by the Pool Boy a Butler and the IT Guy to delete video tapes.

One of these days, Trump's cellmates are going to get really sick and tired of hearing about Hunter's fake laptop.

johnny, virtually every witness against Trump is a Republican. So why do you keep insisting that his indictments are a trumped up Democrat plot of some sort? It's Republicans who are telling you Trump is a criminal, not Democrats.


"But you do realize Smith prosecuted McDonnell of VA, got him out of office for political reasons, but then was
reversed 8 to 0 by the Sup Ct (one non vote)."-johnfibsbyomission

You conveniently left out the rest of the story, johnny.

"The chief justice [Roberts] seemed concerned that the public might take the view that the court was endorsing politics as usual.

“There is no doubt that this case is distasteful; it may be worse than that. But our concern is not with tawdry tales of Ferraris, Rolexes, and ball gowns,” Roberts wrote. “It is instead with the broader legal implications of the Government’s boundless interpretation of the federal bribery statute.”

"The Supreme Court remanded the case to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit so that it might determine whether there is sufficient evidence that McDonnell performed or agreed to perform an “official act” under the clarified definition.

The McDonnell case stemmed from more than $175,000 in loans and gifts — a Rolex watch, vacations, partial payments for a daughter's wedding reception among them — that the governor and his family received from Richmond businessman Jonnie R. Williams Sr. Williams, then the chief executive of Star Scientific, wanted state universities to perform important clinical tests on a dietary supplement the company had developed.

The opinion showed that the justices struggled to identify exactly what an “official act” encompasses, but they were clear about what it is not: “Setting up a meeting, calling another public official, or hosting an event does not, standing alone, qualify as an ‘official act.’ ”-Washington Post


This doesn't mean that the prosecution by Smith was merely political as johnfibs alleges. The conviction wasn't thrown out because anyone actually believed McDonnell wasn't corrupt. He clearly is. That's why johnforbes voted for him and defends him after all, because johnforbes is just a partisan hypocrite.

The quid pro quo wasn't even disputed. They only quibbled over what should be considered an "official act". In other words, it was reversed on a technicality and sent back to the lower court to be retried if the prosecutors could demonstrate McDonnell's actions were "official acts" under a new narrower definition.

Once again Dishonestjohn tries to smear Smith with mere innuendo by avoiding the facts. When will he learn that only Republican dimwits fall for that sort of partisan bullshit.

Looks like Obama, with bandaged fingers and a black eye, might have been doing some paddleboarding with the chef, eh?

Imagine if Trump's personal chef had drowned in a shallow pool on Mar a Lago....

^^^^^^^^ True to his dishonest nature, when confronted with indisputable evidence of his dishonesty, johngforbes desperately resorts to his "go to" strategy of diversion by partisan innuendo, pointing fingers elsewhere hoping no one notices his pants are around his ankles.

During the Trump years, I spent 2 hours layover at the Miami air[port...
I'm expecting the Letter from the Committee any day now...

People who have nothing to hide generally don't go to the IT guy to have him erase, delete or smash with a sledge hammer security footage that shows them doing relatively innocent things.

Especially after government investigators ask to review such security footage.

Hillary had staffers buy hammers and beat to bits her cell phones.

She deleted 33,000 emails under subpoena,and then BleachBit-ed the server.

Hunter's laptop was confirmed as real in late 2019, but long after Blinken and Morell were orchestrating the 51 intel expert letter to pretend the laptop was fake -- disinformation to affect the election.

^^^^^^^^^ Wow, now johnforbes is here frantically trying to make the case for why Trump trying to delete the Mar-a-Lago security video is wrong and criminal.

I hope this doesn't cause him to lose his "Trumpist Dumbfuck of the Month" award.

He turned in that video.

When Smith went after McDonnell, he was eventually overturned by the Sup Ct 8 to zip (one justice didn't vote), so his methods are reckless and partisan (much like Clown's).

Trump: I didn't do nothin'

Also Trump: Hey Hey...you over there! Get that server with the surveillance video or whatever into the pool.

Trump Crony: OK BOSS!

"He turned in that video."-johnflubs

And Hunter paid his back taxes. Does that mean Hunter is innocent and shouldn't go to jail too, johnny? By your reasoning, it does. You're saying that when someone complies with the law only after they can't figure out another way to commit another crime to cover up their first crime, they are no longer guilty of the conspiracy and obstruction they committed.

That Trump, after delays, finally gave in to a subpoena does not mean he didn't commit a crime trying to avoid the consequences of the subpoena, Dishonestjohn.


"When Smith went after McDonnell, he was eventually overturned by the Sup Ct 8 to zip (one justice didn't vote),..."-johnfoibles

This is an example of what johnforbes considers to be "disinformation." What johnny said is true as far as he goes, but he conveniently leaves out the inconvenient facts that show him to be lying by omission.

The letter by 51 intel experts that he says is "disinformation" consists of all true statements. Everything written in the letter is true and johnforbes still calls it disinformation. In other words, johnforbes considers the truth to be disinformation. Thus, johnforbes' own true comment can also be considered to be disinformation. The difference is, johnforbes' comment, unlike the intel expert letter, contains only part of the truth; the part that supports his partisan political position. This sorry fact is what makes johnforbes a peddler of partisan disinformation. He continues to willfully hide the rest of the facts and pretend they don't exist.


"...so his methods are reckless and partisan"-johnfibs

When you learn the facts of the McDonnell case it becomes clear that Smith's prosecution was in no way frivolous, and thus not merely "reckless and partisan." Smith only lost (temporarily) on a technicality. The case hinged on a legitimately debatable definition of terms and not on the facts of the case. The Court didn't exonerate McDonnell as johnforbes is implying. And the Court with its decision didn't 'reprimand' Smith for prosecuting the case, as johnforbes is also implying. johnforbes' corrupt candidate of choice may yet be found to be as corrupt and guilty as Justice Roberts and the rest of the Court knows that McDonnell is.

Clowntoker's claims are as poorly researched as a Sotomayor opinion.

johnforbes' claims aren't researched at all. Thus the totally unsupported idiotic partisan bullshit he always posts here.

Sotomayor was selected because they wanted a female Hispanic, and Ketanji because they wanted a female minority.

Mr Forbes was ushered into this fine collection of forum sages because of his history as an Irish laborer, his skin bronzed by the noonday sun and his sculpted musculature glistening with honest sweat.

"Sotomayor was selected because they wanted a female Hispanic, and Ketanji because they wanted a female minority."-johnflubs

That's great! So what's your point?

They were qualified for the job, and women, blacks, and Hispanics absolutely SHOULD have representation on the Court.

I wouldn't trust them if it didn't.


"Mr Forbes was ushered into this fine collection of forum sages because of his history as an Irish laborer,..."-johnfoibles

Only despite our generosity in allowing you here, you still never provide sources, accreditation of quotations, or respond to anyone's legitimate questions of your purely partisan stances.

So what good is your representation of shiftless Irish people if you refuse to discuss anything? You merely troll the board with cartoon thinking, as proven by the fact that 40% of all posts on page one are so stupid and partisan no one wasted time even responding, and another 20% of them only get responses to point out to you how stupid and ignorant those threads are.

So johnforbes trolls (when he isn't simply prancing about like a preening popinjay as in the previous post) more than anyone else on this board ever has, you good-fer-nothin' tool. Anything to desperately distract from the criminal behavior of Trump and his cronies, which is the actual subject of this thread.

Do you all remember Al Franken? He was the guy who was pretty much forced to resign by the democrats because of some stupid photos and some allegations.

Trump on the other hand used the presidency to go out and enrich himself. Not to mention the stolen secret war plans which were stashed in his bathroom of his Florida golf roach motel. And the destruction of evidence, the obstruction of justice. And demanding government officials to commit election fraud by "finding" 11780 votes. And sending in a armed mob of MAGA morons to storm the Capitol Building to prevent the certification of the election, in which he absolutely knew without a doubt he lost.

So now his deranged party wants to coronate him king for a lifetime?

Elkin has a point that Al Franken had to resign over some juvenile photos, but in that case the larger issue was Franken's hypocrisy as a member of a party which proclaimed that all women should be believed and respected and then he himself was engaged in silly teen behavior.

As to calling Republicans "deranged," Elkin might want to realize that Democrats think a guy can put on a dress and like magic become female. But reality is real.

You can't become 7 feet tall by merely wishing it so. Reality is real. Read "The Emperor's New Clothes."

Yeah Johnnie....

The question is when will MAGA-land finally realize that their emperor has no clothes.

You really stepped in that time....LOL.

Not at all.

The emperor with no clothes story is more appropriate for the Bud Lite nonsense where a guy dressed up a girl just looks silly for claiming his gender changed.

As to Trump, he was the messenger.

A secure border is simply sensible. America can't even retain sovereignty with 7 million new illegal aliens entering since 2021, and Dems want to give them driving licenses which would be the only ID they would need to vote.

Or not allowing BLM/Antifa to loot and burn across America. That is just sensible, and has nothing to do with Trump really.

Or take Ukraine, a morass, and not a democracy. What the heck were (are?) the biolabs there about? Why send/pledge 196 billion to Ukraine while America's border wall could be finished for 10 billion?

These sorts of salient issues have nothing to do with Trump personally.

Of course not Johnnie....coming from a Trump sycophant.

It's not the emperor has no clothes on....It's full bore public nudity....LMFAO.

Now Trump's lawyer is claiming that Trump didn't truly believe that he lost the election. Yeah...the only guy in 200+ years to do so. And his phone call to Raffensperger to "find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won this state." Is an "aspirational ask."

Now it's gone to the absurd. I dunno, who else asks people to commit crimes in an "aspirational manner" without directing them to do so? Mob Bosses, Drug Lords...etc.

"The Emperor's New Clothes" is a perfect example of the Dylan Mulvaney debacle.

Isn't it so sad to see how Trump is having a melt down of a lifetime on his dumpster fire app because some judge is not screwing around as the walls are closing in. Not to mention that his dollar store lawyers can't stop the freight train of justice and Trump knows he's screwed.

BTW....did I say that it's sad? No I think this is absolutely fantastic. So pass the popcorn and keep the champagne on ice.

Elkin, that is understandable.

For some, their hatred of Trump is the very center of their lives.

For many "journalists," that is also the sad situation.

But only in Banana Republics is the purpose of the "justice" system to punish and hamper your political enemies.