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It seems that I may not have made it clear as to exactly what was stolen by *****.

The only data stolen by ***** was the username and passwords which were issued to our Members and Contributors. These were the property of VW. By having access to these usernames, passwords and the emails, *****'s intent is to send you emails and ask you to join his site at some point. He basically has access to you to solicit from you to come to his website. This is what was stolen because this data is strictly the property of VW.

The only other data stolen were the pictures from some Contributors. These can be stolen by any person who has been taught computer technical skills like a puny contracted employee, like *****. Any one with that kind of technical skill can sit in front of a computer, and copy the pictures and post them on another site. There is nothing VW or any other site can do about this other than to sue the offender for copyright violations. VW is not at fault here. And what VW contributors can do is to object to their picture being posted on any other sites besides VW based on violation of privacy rights.

So, no credit card numbers have been stolen. This is being injected by those who have violated VW so they can create a hype. Anyone who knows this business would know that it is impossible to steal credit card numbers. Period.

VWPublicRelations wrote:[snip] pictures ... can be stolen by any person who has been taught computer technical skills like a puny contracted employee, like *****. Any one with that kind of technical skill can sit in front of a computer, and copy the pictures and post them on another site. There is nothing VW or any other site can do about this other than to sue the offender for copyright violations. VW is not at fault here.

Katherine -- I am not here to stir up trouble or hype on behalf of "Igor" or anyone else. Although I am still trying to piece together what really happened here, my sympathies are with you in the massive cleanup job and legal hassles you are grappling with (and certainly not with Igor, who clearly stole our material and tried to destroy a site we greatly enjoy).

But I do have a reaction -- as have several others -- to your characterization of Igor as a "puny contracted employee" and your denial that VW was in any way at fault. If "Igor" was a manufactured site mascot then (1) he was not puny, he was your choice as the public face of the business; (2) he was a dominant presence on the site, with evidently a huge influence on how it was operated; (3) he had a lot more than basic technical skills, he evidently had access to everything at a level that allowed him not just to steal pictures but to virtually destroy the site; (4) you (or your employer, because I take it you personally are new here?) pulled off a massive fifteen-year deception on all of us viewers and contributors in letting him posture as the owner of the site. When you try to minimize his role it only reminds people that you were responsible for making him a petty dictator with apparently total power (like all dictators, beloved to some subjects, resented by others).

These are major management mistakes that have come back to bite you (and us) in a big way and that you should take full responsibility for and not try to minimize by using unprofessional words like "puny." Maybe your lawyers have advised you to take no responsibility for what happened, but it does not help you regain trust with your members when you pretend that Igor was merely a disaster that happened to you rather than in large part a monster of your own creation. If we are to believe that you are going to be straight with us in the future we have to see first that you can be straight with us about the past. This is a basic principle of corporate PR disaster management.

I have every hope that the site will return to normal -- perhaps even with some improvement in customer and contributor relations -- and that your past constituencies will return quickly enough to make it viable, and I write this in support of that process, not with any intent to undermine it.

(And thanks for your hypothetical willingness to show us your breasts, but for company rules. Maybe you can get the rules relaxed a bit, if you'd enjoy showing them off. We'd hate to think you're being deprived of the opportunity....)

Thanks for the explanation. That was stated when one signed up or renewed membership. It was being billed by a third party vendor.

Now lets get the site back and running as it once was!

Thanks

VWPublicRelations wrote:

The only other data stolen were the pictures from some Contributors. These can be stolen by any person who has been taught computer technical skills like a puny contracted employee, like *****. Any one with that kind of technical skill can sit in front of a computer, and copy the pictures and post them on another site. There is nothing VW or any other site can do about this other than to sue the offender for copyright violations. VW is not at fault here. And what VW contributors can do is to object to their picture being posted on any other sites besides VW based on violation of privacy rights.

One difference is that if they are stolen by a person out on the internet infront of a computer, using basic JPG "save" function, is that they would all have the Voyeurweb or Redclouds watermark. If he stole the originals as uploaded, this would not be evident.

rugrollers wrote:

VWPublicRelations wrote:[snip] pictures ... can be stolen by any person who has been taught computer technical skills like a puny contracted employee, like *****. Any one with that kind of technical skill can sit in front of a computer, and copy the pictures and post them on another site. There is nothing VW or any other site can do about this other than to sue the offender for copyright violations. VW is not at fault here.

Katherine -- I am not here to stir up trouble or hype on behalf of "Igor" or anyone else. Although I am still trying to piece together what really happened here, my sympathies are with you in the massive cleanup job and legal hassles you are grappling with (and certainly not with Igor, who clearly stole our material and tried to destroy a site we greatly enjoy).

But I do have a reaction -- as have several others -- to your characterization of Igor as a "puny contracted employee" and your denial that VW was in any way at fault. If "Igor" was a manufactured site mascot then (1) he was not puny, he was your choice as the public face of the business; (2) he was a dominant presence on the site, with evidently a huge influence on how it was operated; (3) he had a lot more than basic technical skills, he evidently had access to everything at a level that allowed him not just to steal pictures but to virtually destroy the site; (4) you (or your employer, because I take it you personally are new here?) pulled off a massive fifteen-year deception on all of us viewers and contributors in letting him posture as the owner of the site. When you try to minimize his role it only reminds people that you were responsible for making him a petty dictator with apparently total power (like all dictators, beloved to some subjects, resented by others).

These are major management mistakes that have come back to bite you (and us) in a big way and that you should take full responsibility for and not try to minimize by using unprofessional words like "puny." Maybe your lawyers have advised you to take no responsibility for what happened, but it does not help you regain trust with your members when you pretend that Igor was merely a disaster that happened to you rather than in large part a monster of your own creation. If we are to believe that you are going to be straight with us in the future we have to see first that you can be straight with us about the past. This is a basic principle of corporate PR disaster management.

I have every hope that the site will return to normal -- perhaps even with some improvement in customer and contributor relations -- and that your past constituencies will return quickly enough to make it viable, and I write this in support of that process, not with any intent to undermine it.

(And thanks for your hypothetical willingness to show us your breasts, but for company rules. Maybe you can get the rules relaxed a bit, if you'd enjoy showing them off. We'd hate to think you're being deprived of the opportunity....)

1. It was VW who turned off the site so that ***** could stop siphoning it. It was not ***** who had any control over that. We needed to shut down the traffic so ***** could stop stealing our traffic. You are just thinking that ***** had control way more than he did. He just did not.

2. ***** was a puny contracted employee whose designation was a webmaster and in that capacity he was the spokesperson for various sites. There were many people he would assign to be Igor as well at different times when he could not respond to all of the emails/inquiries. Igor was the entity assigned by VW management as a a portal for people to address issues/complaints. What is wrong with that? VW will need another Igor, but now we will make 10 Igors, not just one Igor so no one person abuses their position like ***** did.

3. This is not about escape of any responsiblity on part of VW. But VW has nothing to do with the events which have transpired.

4. Many assumptions are being made on your part which are simply incorrect.

5. I repeat again: ***** is a criminal. He stole user names and passwords of people who had signed up with VW. Those user names and passwords were assigned to each person by VW. That is what he stole in order to get traffic at his site. What responsibility do you want VW to take in that?

6. There will be a another Igor. The only thing we can do better is to make sure that the new Igor is required to send each and every email to supervisors anbd that there is more than one Igor to our Voyeurwebbers. And even then, like one of the emails which I read this morning, it could very well be that some emails may get hidden from VW management. In order to avoid this, with the new VW, we will have several representatives who deal and address different grievances/complaints so that not one person deals with our Voyeurwebbers and has the power to lock others out.

7. But trust me. ***** was a puny contracted employee.

8. As for my tits, while by all accounts, they are voluptuous, I will be fired for even asking to relax that company rule right now, in the midst of this round the clock work to bring back VW to you the way you know it. But perhaps, in a month or so...........I will ask.

I am now certainly getting amazingly curious about those titties :lol:

VWPublicRelations wrote:[snip]
2. ***** was a puny contracted employee whose designation was a webmaster and in that capacity he was the spokesperson for various sites. There were many people he would assign to be Igor as well at different times when he could not respond to all of the emails/inquiries. Igor was the entity assigned by VW management as a a portal for people to address issues/complaints. What is wrong with that? VW will need another Igor, but now we will make 10 Igors, not just one Igor so no one person abuses their position like ***** did.

3. This is not about escape of any responsiblity on part of VW. But VW has nothing to do with the events which have transpired.

4. Many assumptions are being made on your part which are simply incorrect.

5. I repeat again: ***** is a criminal. He stole user names and passwords of people who had signed up with VW. Those user names and passwords were assigned to each person by VW. That is what he stole in order to get traffic at his site. What responsibility do you want VW to take in that?

6. There will be a another Igor.

I have no doubt that ***** is a criminal at this point, but I think you are missing my point, which is less about "facts" than about a very longstanding impression that was nurtured by VW -- about Igor as the real owner and king of VW. I don't know whether you have been around VW long enough to know how strong and pervasive this deception was (am I wrong in assuming it was a deception? If it wasn't true, as you and he both say, then we were all deceived). So I think you are missing a major opportunity to regain trust by refusing to address that deception and acknowledge that it was a mistake. Of course, no one will any longer believe in an "Igor" on VW.

And please, why on earth would you want another Igor????? His whole "brand" (be it fake) is now tainted in so many ways! It would be like BP making the Deepwater Horizon its new mascot. Those who trusted and loved "Igor" have left with him for VC. Most of the rest of us were indifferent or alienated by him. Read the threads. OldTimer's history lesson in particular. We ourselves stuck with VW for many reasons but it was despite Igor and the atmosphere he created. By sticking with "Igor" you are clearly signaling a continuation of that atmosphere, whereas this is the perfect opportunity to break with it. Someone has already nominated you as the new "face" of VW, as a matter of fact. Take the hint -- people want a different style of admin management on this site, and it needs a new name. Switching to a woman would in fact be a great idea. Or make it a team. But better we should know who we are talking to (even if not your real names, hello "ghost") each time we are talking to someone than that one "persona" should be occupied by many "puny contractors." In fact, much as I understand your retrospective anger at Igor, I hope that you do not view or treat your employees as "puny contractors" at all -- maybe that was part of the reason for lousy customer/contributor relations at VW, I don't know. If any of my assumptions are wrong, feel free to correct them rather than just broadly stating that they are wrong.

Well, I am glad to see that you are taking my input in the constructive spirit that it is given -- that was not the old VW style at all. And although my personal preference in breasts leans more toward the perky than the voluptuous, beautiful breasts come in all sorts of shapes and sizes, and we all look forward to the eventual debut of yours.

I completely understand a site such as this having a public face/name. For VW it was "Igor" whomever he may be. I know if I ran a site like this, I would not use my real name.

My question relates more to the stolen user/pass combos. Stealing them is one thing. Stealing them and then corrupting the db so that you can't use them is another. Is the user/pass db intact?

Also, it has been stated that memberships will be extended based on the number of days the site is down. How about instead show the membership you care and extend memberships at a 3 for 1 rate. ie. site down 7 days, memberships extended 21 days.

Many people are still not sure of exactly what happened and trust needs to be rebuilt.

The use of "puny" is not professional, especially for a real corporate PR Director, regardless of what Igor did, or how you feel about it. Its continued use makes me question this silliness from both parties. Bottom line, if you can't get this service back in one fashion or another within the next few days then your real issue will be the lost confidence. I figure that my membership is now worth about $18; which is nothing. I am starting to feel that you are wasting my time, which is significantly much more expensive than the membership. So please, enough of the "puny", and a more about isolating and launching a solution for us. Thanks.

When the site is back up and running, how are you going to prevent Igor and his fellow VC's, from logging on using my ID and password. How will you know who is who? Since VC has that info, how are you going to prevent them from continueing to mess up VW/RC/HC.

Thanking you inadvance

Hi Folks,
I have been an RC member for 10+ years and I too anxiously await its return. I am also a software developer for a major well known internet company. I have personally written software that processes credit card payments I would like to take a moment to explain how this works.

The payment page will capture the card info that you provide and wrap it in a message that will be sent to the credit card processing company. In the US that company will typically be Verisign who is owned by PayPal. The card company will return the result of the transaction (good, denied, etc..) and a TransactionId to the website. The website will typically store the transactionId along with other info in a database or data file. The actual credit card number and / or the CVC code are never stored by the website. Storing these values can make the site vulnerable to fraud and litigation. This is standard process.

So, assuming that RC follows standard card processing protocol. your card info would not be at risk. Hope this helps.

Wolfhound.

I find the entire series of events distasteful. Airing internal corporate problems in a public forum is very unprofessional, not to mention juvenile. Whatever the story, and it's difficult to get the whole story here, whatever is said is out there forever. Stolen pictures? That has never happened on the internet before. \Sarc

rugrollers wrote:

VWPublicRelations wrote:[snip]
2. ***** was a puny contracted employee whose designation was a webmaster and in that capacity he was the spokesperson for various sites. There were many people he would assign to be Igor as well at different times when he could not respond to all of the emails/inquiries. Igor was the entity assigned by VW management as a a portal for people to address issues/complaints. What is wrong with that? VW will need another Igor, but now we will make 10 Igors, not just one Igor so no one person abuses their position like ***** did.

3. This is not about escape of any responsiblity on part of VW. But VW has nothing to do with the events which have transpired.

4. Many assumptions are being made on your part which are simply incorrect.

5. I repeat again: ***** is a criminal. He stole user names and passwords of people who had signed up with VW. Those user names and passwords were assigned to each person by VW. That is what he stole in order to get traffic at his site. What responsibility do you want VW to take in that?

6. There will be a another Igor.

I have no doubt that ***** is a criminal at this point, but I think you are missing my point, which is less about "facts" than about a very longstanding impression that was nurtured by VW -- about Igor as the real owner and king of VW. I don't know whether you have been around VW long enough to know how strong and pervasive this deception was (am I wrong in assuming it was a deception? If it wasn't true, as you and he both say, then we were all deceived). So I think you are missing a major opportunity to regain trust by refusing to address that deception and acknowledge that it was a mistake. Of course, no one will any longer believe in an "Igor" on VW.

And please, why on earth would you want another Igor????? His whole "brand" (be it fake) is now tainted in so many ways! It would be like BP making the Deepwater Horizon its new mascot. Those who trusted and loved "Igor" have left with him for VC. Most of the rest of us were indifferent or alienated by him. Read the threads. OldTimer's history lesson in particular. We ourselves stuck with VW for many reasons but it was despite Igor and the atmosphere he created. By sticking with "Igor" you are clearly signaling a continuation of that atmosphere, whereas this is the perfect opportunity to break with it. Someone has already nominated you as the new "face" of VW, as a matter of fact. Take the hint -- people want a different style of admin management on this site, and it needs a new name. Switching to a woman would in fact be a great idea. Or make it a team. But better we should know who we are talking to (even if not your real names, hello "ghost") each time we are talking to someone than that one "persona" should be occupied by many "puny contractors." In fact, much as I understand your retrospective anger at Igor, I hope that you do not view or treat your employees as "puny contractors" at all -- maybe that was part of the reason for lousy customer/contributor relations at VW, I don't know. If any of my assumptions are wrong, feel free to correct them rather than just broadly stating that they are wrong.

Well, I am glad to see that you are taking my input in the constructive spirit that it is given -- that was not the old VW style at all. And although my personal preference in breasts leans more toward the perky than the voluptuous, beautiful breasts come in all sorts of shapes and sizes, and we all look forward to the eventual debut of yours.

Wait a minute-- who said that they were not perky-- does "voluptuous" exclude being "perky"??? What if they were both perky and voluptuous? Would that be acceptable............?

smellitfirst wrote:I completely understand a site such as this having a public face/name. For VW it was "Igor" whomever he may be. I know if I ran a site like this, I would not use my real name.

My question relates more to the stolen user/pass combos. Stealing them is one thing. Stealing them and then corrupting the db so that you can't use them is another. Is the user/pass db intact?

Also, it has been stated that memberships will be extended based on the number of days the site is down. How about instead show the membership you care and extend memberships at a 3 for 1 rate. ie. site down 7 days, memberships extended 21 days.

Many people are still not sure of exactly what happened and trust needs to be rebuilt.

The database is intact. The database for the pictures has nothing to do with your sign in. But the answer to your question whether the database is intact, is yes-- and we are going to be returning all of it to you to enjoy!

bk383 wrote:When the site is back up and running, how are you going to prevent Igor and his fellow VC's, from logging on using my ID and password. How will you know who is who? Since VC has that info, how are you going to prevent them from continueing to mess up VW/RC/HC.

Thanking you inadvance

Very good question. I will in fact make this into an Announcement Topic. We will issue new usernames and passwords. ***** does not have access to our database or servers since we have physical possession of both. With new usernames and passwords, you will enjoy a protected access. We will also deposit these usernames and passwords to a server which will only be accessible to the owner.

Wolfhound wrote:Hi Folks,
I have been an RC member for 10+ years and I too anxiously await its return. I am also a software developer for a major well known internet company. I have personally written software that processes credit card payments I would like to take a moment to explain how this works.

The payment page will capture the card info that you provide and wrap it in a message that will be sent to the credit card processing company. In the US that company will typically be Verisign who is owned by PayPal. The card company will return the result of the transaction (good, denied, etc..) and a TransactionId to the website. The website will typically store the transactionId along with other info in a database or data file. The actual credit card number and / or the CVC code are never stored by the website. Storing these values can make the site vulnerable to fraud and litigation. This is standard process.

So, assuming that RC follows standard card processing protocol. your card info would not be at risk. Hope this helps.

Wolfhound.

Thank you. I hope we can finally put this thing about credit card numbers being stolen to rest. We need to talk about the upcoming Voyeurweb Party!

Ms. or Mrs. Lucas. You have the higher ground. Never forget that. But, you must consider the fear and trepidation that your customers feel, especially after all the hype that's been slewed all over the forums. With that being said, a certain modicum of professionalism is required to instill confidence in your clientele. You need not be so defensive in your argument; you lose credence, even though, again, you have the higher ground. Stay firm, yet resilient. Your greatest fans will stand by you. Count me among them. This is one of my favorite websites, which I return to time and again, and VW will ALWAYS be in my bookmarks menu!! I know this unfortunate incident won't affect the quality of the VW forums, and I can't wait till things are straightened out.

Igor, whoever he is, stole all the pics, the whole customer database and you shut down the site to stop him.

Can't you just delete his access rights?
Don't you have any backup? That would let you put the sites back on line and contact your paying customers individually.
This is so unprofessional!

He might be a criminal but you are a bunch of "amateurs" as far as website security management is concerned!

Company policy against showing tits? who runs that place the Federal Government who seems hell bent on violating all our personal freedoms? Damn I wouldn't work at a place like that. One of your biggest competitors with a very similar name has pics of their staff in various stages of undress!

Dear Ms. Lucas,
I think Rugroller makes some excellent points, and I would urge you to consider them carefully as you work on crafting the new and improved Voyeurweb. Right now you desperately need to rebuild trust with your users, and taking potshots at Igor (as tempting as it is) actually undermines that.
Igor was presented to users as the key player in the VW family of sites. To turn around and now say he wasn't, and to do so in juvenile terms, only fosters mistrust. For example, now we might wonder if you are really named Katherine Lucas, or perhaps that is just the alias for several tech guys (not asking, just making the point). I mean, if Igor was just a puny low-level employee, then who knows who you really are.
There was, and perhaps still is, a way to handle this more productively and gracefully. Here, something like this would have worked (in my opinion):
"Igor was the public face of VW and was trusted with key information about how the site worked. Unfortunately, he betrayed that trust by

• . Starting your own site is one thing - we have no problem with fair competition (you guys are up the challenge). But torching VW on your way out the door, and stealing stuff from it to start your new site, is unacceptable. Fortunately, Igor didn't actually own or control VW, but was instead an employee. So we are actually in a good position to rebuild VW, making it better and improving the user experience. We have learned our lesson about having any one person be the public face of VW (even if it was more for marketing purposes than reality), so going forward we are going to be focused on the community rather than any one figurehead."
  That, I think, would get more people in your corner.
  You really want to beat Igor and get back at him? Build a better site and a better community and have more success and make more money. Focus on that, not your former employee.
  Sincerely,
  Long time User

Well said ramidus. The only change I would make is not to mention Igor at all. I would say there was rogue employee, but anything beyond that is advertising another site and has everybody scrambling to find it.

Thank you. I hope we can finally put this thing about credit card numbers being stolen to rest. We need to talk about the upcoming Voyeurweb Party!

No, you need to talk about how you're going to give us our memberships back and get the damn sites up, screw the party. More misdirection, do your job. Everyone should read my latest post under "Three Simple Questions for Katherine".

ramidus wrote:Dear Ms. Lucas,
I think Rugroller makes some excellent points, and I would urge you to consider them carefully as you work on crafting the new and improved Voyeurweb. Right now you desperately need to rebuild trust with your users, and taking potshots at Igor (as tempting as it is) actually undermines that.
[snip]

Thank you, Ramidus. I don't feel the message is getting through, despite my best attempts to articulate it. Maybe if they start hearing it from more of us...

It's also a little hard to get a reasoned message through amid the din of those who think their $28 membership fee should be at the top of everyone's agenda (or whatever it is they're really after).

Wolfhound wrote:Hi Folks,
I have been an RC member for 10+ years and I too anxiously await its return. I am also a software developer for a major well known internet company. I have personally written software that processes credit card payments I would like to take a moment to explain how this works.

The payment page will capture the card info that you provide and wrap it in a message that will be sent to the credit card processing company. In the US that company will typically be Verisign who is owned by PayPal. The card company will return the result of the transaction (good, denied, etc..) and a TransactionId to the website. The website will typically store the transactionId along with other info in a database or data file. The actual credit card number and / or the CVC code are never stored by the website. Storing these values can make the site vulnerable to fraud and litigation. This is standard process.

So, assuming that RC follows standard card processing protocol. your card info would not be at risk. Hope this helps.

Wolfhound.

I too have been a member for 10 plus years give or take a month or two of lapse every few years.

but let me ask you something as a developer being that it took a few days and all we got was a bb recolor and a few logo changes do you really think the site is going to come back its been 5 days of down time with no real status or info updates? I mean gwalker had there user data base compromised they where not down for five days...

I posted something like this elsewhere, but want to say it here.
Igor, or *****, or whatever he calls himself, is in the wrong here.
He could start a new site, but he clearly tried to wreck voyeurweb and RC, and to make it difficult for them to get back up and running.
I agree that belittling Egor reduces the impact of a reasoned argument as to who is the bad guys here..
but to me, it is clearly some employee who did his best to steal and do as much damage as possible.

CLOUZEAU wrote:Igor, whoever he is, stole all the pics, the whole customer database and you shut down the site to stop him.

Can't you just delete his access rights?
Don't you have any backup? That would let you put the sites back on line and contact your paying customers individually.
This is so unprofessional!

He might be a criminal but you are a bunch of "amateurs" as far as website security management is concerned!

VW site is a massive site. It is not as easy as you think to go and retrieve everything from the back up but we did it and we will be back on lin.e This is not a website security issue-- this is someone who had access to the username and passwords deciding to be a criminal issue-- no other way to describe it. I am sorry that you feel that we have amateurs working for such a massive site-- there are firewalls and whole bunch of other security measures, but this was an inside job--

joby613 wrote:Ms. or Mrs. Lucas. You have the higher ground. Never forget that. But, you must consider the fear and trepidation that your customers feel, especially after all the hype that's been slewed all over the forums. With that being said, a certain modicum of professionalism is required to instill confidence in your clientele. You need not be so defensive in your argument; you lose credence, even though, again, you have the higher ground. Stay firm, yet resilient. Your greatest fans will stand by you. Count me among them. This is one of my favorite websites, which I return to time and again, and VW will ALWAYS be in my bookmarks menu!! I know this unfortunate incident won't affect the quality of the VW forums, and I can't wait till things are straightened out.

It is Ms. Thank you for your kind words. VW will be back. I just left a meeting with the technical staff about 1 hour ago and the site will be back and it will be out of this world. Just wait - you will see

Why are there some people here trashing the site in spite of all the information concerning what has happened here. I have been a member here for the past 10 years and have never had a problem untiln now. I believe we should be patient and give these guys a chance to bring this site up again. my recommendation to the staff of RC is to keep us informed and ignore the bashers in this forum. You will never satisfy these guys. Concentrate on getting the site up again. Looking foward to it.

Katherine, I'd like to believe you will have the site up soon, but we were told 4-7 days. It is now 9 days. I have to believe at 1 week in, even if having the the site up is some time away you at least have a reasonable timeline established. Can you let us know when we can expect something. I don't care if that will be one day, one week, or one month. As long as you can give me a date.

zardoz1962 wrote:Katherine, I'd like to believe you will have the site up soon, but we were told 4-7 days. It is now 9 days. I have to believe at 1 week in, even if having the the site up is some time away you at least have a reasonable timeline established. Can you let us know when we can expect something. I don't care if that will be one day, one week, or one month. As long as you can give me a date.

It is looking like one week right now barring some unexpected technical difficulty. We will be back and that is for sure and what is coming back is OUT OF THIS WORLD, AND THAT IS FOR SURE AS WELL

wow there a lot of brainwashed people here that have not actually done their reserch online, I fear you are in for a major disappointment

Re: VW taking too long to restart. How many pics does VW have to republish on the new site? MY personal VW archive has 15,000 pics!

To those STILL complaining about the "Igor" character: That was a ficticious internet personality. There was no Igor. Igor did not exist. His real name was something related to "Abraham". "Igor" and "Ivan" are typically assigned Russian/Eastern Bloc names. Everyone in show business goes under a stage name.

Dangit, I missed a bewbie pic??? I'm having severe VW withdrawal pains here...please hurry and get the site back up.

It will be easy for VW to stop Igor from using existing user names and passwords. When VW and RC are back up and running, just set the system to require each user to change either their user name or their password to something new.. Problem solved...

m2pose4u3 wrote:It will be easy for VW to stop Igor from using existing user names and passwords. When VW and RC are back up and running, just set the system to require each user to change either their user name or their password to something new.. Problem solved...

The only problem with that is that some agent with the stolen id/passwords can log on using that info and change the password again when prompted. It takes more than that. Email verification helps, but even that can be fooled.

Y'all are still buying this? Wow.