[johnforbes]

Maricopa County election officials are currently under fire for deleting a main database from the Election Management System (EMS) last month. Despite being covered by a subpoena, it was recently discovered that an entire Database directory from the D drive of the EMS system has been deleted. Senate President Karen Fann has called for a meeting to “constructively resolve” this issue, among other issues related to the Senate’s ongoing audit in Arizona Maricopa County.

Fann notified Jack Sellers, chair of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors about the severity of the matter by noting, “This removes election related details that appear to have been covered by the subpoena.” Despite a subpoena being issued to the county board and elections as part of the Senate’s efforts to conduct the Arizona forensic audit, Fann also noted that the EMS was missing a “Results Tally and Reporting” database.

Further, Fan wrote to sellers that “This suggests that the main database for all election related data for the November 2020 General Election has been removed,” also including: “Can you please advise as to why these folders were deleted, and whether there are any backups that may contain the deleted folders?” Fann has issued a proposal that all the key parties involved in the deletion of the subpoena covered data meet at the Arizona State Capitol on May 18 via a livestream to address the EMS files as well as other issues that have surfaced.

[Clownkicker]

"Why Would an AZ Election Database be Deleted When Covered by Supoena?"-johnforbes

Could it be that the "Supoena" was deficient somehow?

Perhaps it was "Sub"par?

Get back to us, counselor...

[johnforbes]

But noting a typo doesn't answer the question, does it?

Why would anybody honest delete that database?

[Clownkicker]

johnny, you don't know the facts yet.

You're asking your dishonest FOXnews-type question before you even know anything was done wrong.

You're dishonestly acting as though you know something was done wrong when you don't.

[johnforbes]

Well, let's say the election was completely fair and Biden won.

Why would Dems delete a database proving their guy won?

[Clownkicker]

And there you go; johnny--

Maybe they didn't delete it. Your handlers just TOLD you they did.

Maybe someone deleted it by accident. It happens.

Maybe some Republican intentionally deleted it when they found out about the audit and since it proved Biden won, they wanted to cause clowns like you to question the election's validity.

Maybe they moved it to a different file or left the backup file right where it is supposed to be, and that's what an investigation will show. You don't know.

And maybe your sheer ignorance is not enough excuse to call an election's validity into question--ever consider that, johnny?


I know, I know, you're simply "asking the question"...the same way FOXnews and Trump do because they are also dishonest, gutless weasels.

[johnforbes]

Sure, and it was accident when Hillary deleted 33,000 emails under congressional subpoena.

But, even it it had been deleted in error, a backup should be readily available for such a crucial element of democracy.

And Dems -- confident they won a fair election -- should be eager to furnish it, eager to undergo audits, eager to show how fully and fairly they won.

So why aren't they eager?

[Clownkicker]

johnny, you'll never beat crooks and scumbags by playing along with their scams. They will always win that way. They know how to be crooks and scumbags. I don't. You do. Law school wasn't entirely wasted on you, apparently.

This entire "Big Lie" is one of those scams. And you are just another dimwitted mark that was sucked into the scam. You actually think what you are doing is all your idea. You actually think that you aren't just another tool of the crooks. You think you're one of those 'in the know.'

Just like Trump thinking Putin considers him a peer and that Kim is in love with him because he sent Trump some love letters. What a sap.

When will you clowns tire of being duped, johnny?

[johnforbes]

If the 2020 election was totally fair, then Dems would be eager to urge audits in the key swing states.

Instead, Dems -- and their servants in the media -- are deleting threads and channels about audits.

Any question about the simple fact that the key swing states ALL violated their own election laws is greeted with leftist censorship.

The Left is afraid of the truth.

[Clownkicker]

"If the 2020 election was totally fair, then Dems would be eager to urge audits in the key swing states."-johnfibs

No, you made it up. Dems know it's over and there is nothing to be gained by disrupting the country forever over your dishonest partisan fantasies that not even the Republicans in authority believe. NOTHING. It only serves to divide America further.

Remermber when you dimwits were calling Obama the "Great divider"? Obama was a piker when compared to Trump.


johnny, let's pretend for a minute that everything you believe is somehow true.

Now, is the election over or not? Was it certified by Congress or not? Did a failed Trump insurrection stop ANYTHING? No.

And what do you hope to gain? What do you intend to do about it now? Another insurrection? Is that what you are proposing? Maybe a better-armed assault this time?


Why do you hate America, johnny?

[johnforbes]

At least 75 million voted for Trump, and they feel cheated because it is beyond dispute that all of the key swing states violated their own election laws.

An honest, open, neutral audit of what really happened would be urged and welcomed by Democrats who genuinely feel their guy won fairly.

Instead, the Left censors or deletes any discussion of the issue.

[Clownkicker]

"At least 75 million voted for Trump, and they feel cheated..."-johnforbes

And at least 81 million people voted for Biden, and they have feelings too.

But johnforbes is more concerned about the feelings of 74 million other people who didn't get their wish. For some reason he believes the feelings of 74 million Trump supporters somehow trump the feelings of 81 million Biden supporters. They don't.

Republicans are proving that they are nothing more than sore losers by further dividing America with the futile exercise of phony audits, as if that would change ANYTHING.

Let's pretend that the AZ audit (with its childishly gullible hunt for bamboo in paper of ballots--seriously) somehow proved decisively that Trump had won Arizona and should have received their Electoral College votes. And let's pretend that some other state audit also was shown the Electoral College votes should have gone to Trump. Now, what would that change tomorrow? Absolutely nothing. Trump still lost the Electoral College vote and Congress still certified Biden's win.

So the sole purpose of sore losers like johnforbes is to further tear America apart for the purpose of destroying America's democracy. There is no other possible outcome of such destructive behavior by the Republican Party. Trump will never be President again.

Why does johnforbes persist in the dishonest assertion that Democrats should welcome audits of an election that is over and drag out absurd, completely unsupported claims about an election that was settled months ago? They shouldn't. It can do nothing but undermine faith in our democratic system and insure that no election outcome in the future will ever be accepted again. (For the ignoramuses here, that is a bad thing for any democracy.)

Democrats do genuinely believe their guy won fairly. That is why they don't want any more time wasted on such foolishness. They want to go about the business of governing instead of indulging the masturbatory fantasies of dishonest partisans. They want Republicans to accept and play by the rules of the U.S. Constitution. But Republicans don't want to do that. For some reason johnforbes insists Democrats shouldn't follow those rules either but should support the overthrow of the Constitution by ignoring the Congressional Electoral College certification.

Why do you hate America, johnny? Why do you refuse to address these obvious points and just drone on about what you think Democrats 'should' do? Why don't you assert that REPUBLICANS should peacefully accept the Congressional certification and look to the future of making their party a desirable political party to support?

But that's not what Republicans do, is it? They just keep whining and making completely unsupported accusations of fraud.

[johnforbes]

Nobody has the slightest idea whether Briben got 81 million votes.

If Dems really believed that, they would fully and instantly support thorough audits of elections in all key swing states.

And support discussions about the election.

But FB, Twitter, and YouTube censor and delete anything about this.

Dems are very scared to go back and look at the election debacle.

Like the Hayes-Tilden stolen election of 1876, this was a disgrace.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, continuing to support insurrection is not a good move on your part.


Like the Hayes-Tilden stolen election of 1876, trying to steal another after it was certified is a disgrace.

[Clownkicker]

Who could have seen this coming?

Oh, right, I did.

"Sat May 15, 2021 4:57 pm
And there you go; johnny--
Maybe they didn't delete it. Your handlers just TOLD you they did."-me


"Arizona auditors backtrack, say no election data destroyed

"PHOENIX (AP) — Firms hired to run a partisan audit of the 2020 election for Senate Republicans in Arizona said Tuesday that data was not destroyed, reversing earlier allegations that election officials in the state's most populated county eliminated evidence.

"Ben Cotton, founder of a computer forensics firm working on the audit, told key senators that he had recovered all data. The revelation came a day after Maricopa County officials released a scathing letter saying the auditors couldn't find the data because they didn't know where to look.

“I have the information I need from the recovery efforts of the data,” said Cotton, founder of CyFIR LLC.

He spoke at a livestreamed hearing called by Republican Senate President Karen Fann to demand answers from county officials about the allegation of deleted data and improper documentation of ballot storage."-AP

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnb7Kz

This sham Republican audit is just partisan politics and johnforbes got suckered in because he is an unquestioning partisan sap. He will believe that the data base was deleted until the day he dies. Never mind that the person who said it was deleted found it right where it was supposed to be.

Now, will johnforbes stop his sour grapes whining about this supposedly "deleted database"? Let's watch, shall we?

[johnforbes]

Continuing his partisan dishonesty is a poor behavioral choice for Clownslacker.

Any Dem who honestly believed the 2020 election was honest would want, and desire, and plead for a full, bipartisan, neutral, objective audit and inquiry into the key swing states which broke their own election laws.

Unlike the Dems, I favor election integrity.

New video has confirmed that many demonstrators simply walked into the Capitol on Jan 6. Apparently none of them were armed, and the 5 who died were all pro-Repub.

Officer Sicknick was not hit over the head with a fire extinguisher, but died of natural causes.

Who shot Ashli Babbitt, who should not have been inside, and should not have been trespassing, but surely didn't deserve to be shot?

[Clownkicker]

Continuing his partisan dishonesty is a poor behavioral choice for johnforbes. After exhibiting purely partisan dishonesty by starting this thread and making a fool of himself by not waiting for the facts before forming an opionion, one would think he would at least hesitate by doing it again. But no, here he is back again talking about things he has no idea of the facts of the cases. Unfortunately he lacks the balls to admit to being dead wrong about this thread and apologize to the forum.

Any Repub who honestly believes that Trump has done nothing wrong with his taxes would want, and desire, and plead for a full, neutral, objective audit and inquiry into the Trump Organization's taxes. Instead, they are claiming Trump is a victim of partisan politics.

Unlike johnforbes and Repubs, I favor integrity in tax filings regardless of party affiliation.

New video has confirmed that many demonstrators simply walked into the Capitol on Jan 6 while many other videos showed rioting demonstrators breaking windows, breaking and entering, and striking police with shields and doors, looting of Capitol furnishings and computers, and making death threats against Pelosi and Pence. Apparently none of them were armed until they used flag poles and police shields as weapons for committing battery, as well as wielding zip tie handcuffs to bind lawmakers. Why johnforbes chooses to ignore these documented facts while making excuses for rioters is a mystery.

It is not relevant who shot Ashli Babbitt, who should not have been inside, and should not have been trespassing. Since johnforbes has no idea what actually occurred before the shooting, he has no information to form an opinion about whether or not she should have been shot. Hasn't dimwit johnny learned anything about jumping to conclusions without evidence? He just made an ass of himself by starting this thread doing just that.

Many Capitol police were assaulted and struck with improvised weapons as well as being injured by being hit by bear spray and by rioters pushing over barricades.

[johnforbes]

Although continuing his partisan dishonesty is a poor behavioral choice for Clownslacker, he may be unable to halt.

Any Dem who honestly believed the 2020 election was honest would want, and desire, and plead for a full, bipartisan, neutral, objective audit and inquiry into the key swing states which broke their own election laws.

Unlike the Dems, I favor election integrity.

New video has confirmed that many demonstrators simply walked into the Capitol on Jan 6. Apparently none of them were armed, and the 5 who died were all pro-Repub.

Officer Sicknick was not hit over the head with a fire extinguisher, but died of natural causes.

Who shot Ashli Babbitt, who should not have been inside, and should not have been trespassing, but surely didn't deserve to be shot?

This is just as relevant as any other wrongful shooting, but she was a Republican and so the person who shot her is concealed and not charged.

[Clownkicker]

Let's examine johnforbes sincerity about his assertion that if Dems have done nothing wrong, they should support endless investigations and audits, shall we? Let's see if johnforbes is just being a partisan hypocrite...


"House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy came out Tuesday against a bipartisan proposal to establish a 9/11-style commission to investigate the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol. The announcement comes a day before the House of Representatives is slated to vote on the legislation.

McCarthy tasked the top-ranking Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee, Rep. John Katko of New York, to broker a deal on the commission, and the GOP leader's opposition undercuts his own member's agreement with Chairman Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., and gives cover to other House Republicans to vote against it."-NPR

""After careful consideration, I've made the decision to oppose the House Democrats' slanted and unbalanced proposal for another commission to study the events of January 6," McConnell said in a speech on the Senate floor."-MSN

So why aren't Republicans eager to have an investigation into the events of Jan. 6th?
If the January 6th Capitol attack was totally innocent and had nothing to do with Trump, then Repubs would be eager to urge investigation into it.


"The attorney general had been investigating allegations that Trump and his family intentionally misreported property values for tax purposes, while Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance Jr. has been in a protracted legal battle with Trump to obtain his past tax returns and other financial records as part of an ongoing fraud probe.

Trump has denied any wrongdoing and claimed to be a victim of a wide-ranging “witch hunt” — a label he has affixed to the two impeachment proceedings against him, as well as the special counsel investigation that loomed over much of his four years in office."-MSN


And as johnforbes keeps saying, Trump -- confident he has done nothing wrong -- should be eager to cooperate, eager to undergo audits, eager to show how fully and fairly he conducts his business.

So why aren't these guys eager to support investigations, johnny? You keep asking the same question as if there is only one answer--if you've done nothing wrong, there is nothing to hide, and obviously, innocent people should support the investigations.

We can only conclude that johnforbes must believe Trump has done something illegal in both of these cases of refusal to support investigations.

[johnforbes]

I suppose because Democrats would try to turn it into another "insurrection" narrative.

But, like Mueller's two-year Russia probe, it yielded nothing but political fodder for leftist lunatics such as Clown.

[Clownkicker]

^^^^^^ Look at johnny scurry away when confronted with his dishonest partisan hypocrisy.

[johnforbes]

They say skis were invented before wheels, and Clownswisher has done more sliding away from rational discourse than Jean-Claude Killy.

Who is, of course, a Rolex wearer.

I rest my case.

[Clownkicker]

Wow, johnny, I didn't know Killy was gay.

How 'bout that...


So, did you date him or something?

[johnforbes]

Clown, please confine your gay fantasy life to your private email with Elkin.

The rest of us here are normal and discussing politics.

[Clownkicker]

No matter how much you try to distract from your humiliation as a tool of lying Republicans, no one can forget that the AZ database was not deleted while "Covered by supoena."


Stop being duped over and over unquestioningly. You could even try admitting you were wrong to start this partisan propaganda thread for your handlers without researching their marching orders. That would at least demonstrate to us that you retain some semblance of manhood.

[johnforbes]

Actually, it was.

The assertion that it was not was not accompanied by a little thing Democrats hate -- i.e., facts.

[Clownkicker]

No, dimwit, the initial assertion that the database was deleted was not accompanied by a little thing Republicans hate -- i.e., facts.

johnforbes doesn't care that Republicans didn't support their initial claim. In johnforbes' world, Republicans don't need evidence for the things they claim. But now he says we need more evidence than the word of the auditors themselves for the claim that all the data are intact.

In other words, johnforbes now believes the auditors hired by AZ Republicans are liars even as he expects us to take the results of the audit seriously if it shows Trump won AZ. johnforbes doesn't even take them seriously, but he is willing to destroy America's faith in democracy over this audit.

[johnforbes]

Although continuing his partisan dishonesty is a poor behavioral choice for Clownslacker, he may be unable to halt.

Any Dem who honestly believed the 2020 election was honest would want, and desire, and plead for a full, bipartisan, neutral, objective audit and inquiry into the key swing states which broke their own election laws.

Unlike the Dems, I favor election integrity.

New video has confirmed that many demonstrators simply walked into the Capitol on Jan 6. Apparently none of them were armed, and the 5 who died were all pro-Repub.

Officer Sicknick was not hit over the head with a fire extinguisher, but died of natural causes.

Who shot Ashli Babbitt, who should not have been inside, and should not have been trespassing, but surely didn't deserve to be shot?

This is just as relevant as any other wrongful shooting, but she was a Republican and so the person who shot her is concealed and not charged.

[Clownkicker]

^^^^^^^There's that dishonestjohn ploy of desperately trying to change the subject of a false database deletion to something dishonest about the Jan. 6th insurrection.

Look at your own thread title, dimwit. The alleged database deletion is a proven lie. That's the end of this thread.

An apology from you for your partisan gullibility should be the last post here. Stop trying to distract from your own embarrassing topic.

[johnforbes]

Actually, this is not the case.

Throughout the attempts at the audit, barriers have been thrown up and why?

Because Dems can't be open and honest about what transpired on Nov 3 and thereafter.

Votes appeared by magic in the middle of the night, and all for Biden.

Not since LBJ "won" in 1948 has there been such a non-credible "election."

[Clownkicker]

That is not an apology for your partisan gullibility, johnny.

Try again.

[johnforbes]

I do apologize for Clowntoker's naivete.

Throughout the attempts at the audit, barriers have been thrown up and why?

Because Dems can't be open and honest about what transpired on Nov 3 and thereafter.

Votes appeared by magic in the middle of the night, and all for Biden.

Not since LBJ "won" in 1948 has there been such a non-credible "election."

[Clownkicker]

That isn't even a "non-apology" apology, johnny.

You really need to learn about apologies. Tell your long-suffering mother that she failed you.



And the AZ election database STILL wasn't deleted, no matter how much irrelevant bullshit you shovel.

[johnforbes]

Then produce the database.

But I do feel that the world should receive an apology for the drivel foisted upon it by Clowntoker.

[Clownkicker]

I can't get into the AZ database any more than you did to start this embarrassing thread, johnny.

We must take the word of the auditors hired by the Republicans Party.


Oh, that's right, you don't respect or trust "the best people" hired by Republicans, so it's no wonder you think they are lying to you now. If Trump's hires are all liars, why not the AZ Republican Party hires as well, eh, dimwit?

[johnforbes]

Thanks for admitting you don't have access any more than anybody has had access to meaningful info relating to the 2020 debacle of an election.

[Clownkicker]

Thanks for admitting that you don't have access to any more information than I do. Yet you keep starting these partisan propaganda threads based on nothing more than unverified partisan propaganda from your handlers (which I always debunk for you, making a fool of you repeatedly, just as in this thread based on the 2021 Republican debacle of unsupported, made up voter fraud.)

But it IS hilarious to see you call your own election auditors "liars," johnny, setting the stage for your refusal to accept even their conclusions if they go against your partisan fantasies.

[johnforbes]

Actually, my only interest is in having honest elections -- credible elections, ones where you can backtrack and check to be certain votes were counted.

An example would be the votes I just cast in a primary election this year, so can I go back and check to be certain my vote was recorded the way I voted?

Nope.

[elklindo69]

So what I think you are suggesting is that each individual voter should be able to conduct an audit of the vote recording process....on an individual basis?

Now they could do that....but just think about how time consuming and costly it would be to do that.

Take for example Arizona where you had some 3.3 million votes. With that, there would be some 3.3 million theoretical individual requests to audit the votes. It would take an eternity to fulfill all of the requests.

Do you people actually ever bother to think things through....lol.

[johnforbes]

No, what I'm suggesting is honest elections.

If you cast a vote, you ought to be able to ascertain whether your vote actually went to the candiate you voted for.

And Dominion and the Democrats should be eager and delighted to reveal how they won honestly and openly.

Instead, FB and YouTube and Twitter delete and censor anything about the election, which reveals they are hiding valid discussion.

If the database is available, where can we look at it?

Give the link.

[elklindo69]

Validation of the voting machines ensures that votes are recorded accurately.

And I'm not sure how the government can design a system that would make any voting "database" available to the public. To me that would be a security risk.

[elklindo69]

And if you don't like that social media companies are censoring content, that's too bad becuase it is their private property.

Obviously Fox News and other conservative outlets censor content as well...but that's their business and I could care less.

[Clownkicker]

"Give the link."-johnfuckhead

What did I tell you about providing you with links, johnny?

I provided a link to a video on another thread just two days ago and you refused to watch it and today continue to plead ignorance.

And the time I recently provided you with five links to support a point, you refused to read them or respond to them.

And if I provided you with this requested link, you would be back here whining that you don't accept the source, even if it is the AZ State Government website. (I have provided government website links before and you still refused to accept what they had to say.)

So why would anyone now waste their time providing a dishonest partisan fuckhead like you with anything on demand?

Willful ignorance is your only argument these days. Go fuck yourself, johnny.

[johnforbes]

So, in summary, Clown has no evidence whatever to prove the AZ election (or any other in 2020) was fair.

He just liked that the Democrat "won"...

[Clownkicker]

So, in summary, johnforbes is a Trump-supporting fuckhead.

He just doesn't like that the Democrat won.

He has failed to produce any evidence whatsoever to support his purely partisan position, and even refuses to believe officials of his own party because he believes they are all liars and were involved in a nationwide conspiracy to elect Biden.

[johnforbes]

I used to find links unpersuasive because so much of human history predated the Internet.

Then Clown kept insisting links were the be all and end all.

So I'm simply asking Clown to provide links to the AZ election database where anybody could look at these public records, but for some reason Clown is not furnishing links.

[Clownkicker]

"Then Clown kept insisting links were the be all and end all."-johnfibs

Of course, I never insisted any such thing. You made it up.

What johnfibs needs to understand is that no rational person can discuss any topic without some evidence to support their made up stupid shit. People need to be talking about the same thing. I provide links to information, johnfibs doesn't. But one person cannot be talking about willful lies and the other talking about reality and then hope to be enlightened by the discussion.

But since made up partisan lies are all johnforbes has to discuss any topic--he can never support anything he posts with verifiable facts-- he is offended that people don't just accept his lies without question the way he gullibly accepts Trump's lies without question.

Apparently johnny believes his willful ignorance will ensure that his willfully delusional "Weltbild" will never be torn from his hopelessly fragile mind.

[johnforbes]

I'd like to thank Clown for using the word "Weltbild" in a sentence.

It proves that my efforts here are helping him grapple with the confusing buzz of existential reality about him, and that my reading of William James and Walter Lippmann was not in vain.

[Clownkicker]

It proves no such thing, dimwit.

I learned that word decades ago in my high school German class. That you are pretentious enough to try to impress people with its unnecessary use here is just more of your arrogant foolishness that I'm mocking.

Pretty much everything you learned in school was learned in vain, dummy. The overriding fact is you are completely incapable of critical thinking or of making a rational argument for anything you believe. This forum is proof of that fact.

And your embarrassing admission of willful ignorance is just plain degrading.

[johnforbes]

No, I lived in Germany for years, and thus German words sometimes come to mind.

To my eternal credit, I have never called Clown all the many and various German words appropriate for his uncouth behavior on this fine forum.