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Professor of medicine at Stanford, Dr. John Ioannidis:

Thank you for the informative link........ for a change.

Now, the take away:

Interviewer: "How much longer do you think, from an epidemiological point of view, do you think we need to wait this out in a kind of economic and social isolation?"

Dr. Ioannides: "As you know, I'm in shelter-in-place myself now and--uh--I will continue this and I am okay with this. But--uh--I want to get the data to decide whether that should stop, and I think it is inadmissible not to get these data within two or three weeks. It's--uh--extremely important, there is too much at stake, and--uh--if you tell me--uh--you're in shelter-in-place why don't you break that now? Well, I have no data. I'm blind, and I would be still acting in a blind fashion, and I think this is not something I would expect given our capacity to have good science inform us about the next steps."


That was almost a month ago. What has the Trump Administration done to insure public health and medical professionals have those needed data?

Almost nothing. On March 6th Trump said "Everyone who wants a test will be able to get a test." To this day this hasn't happened. Not even close. And he has done nothing to see that it is realized.

On March 13th Trump met with with several large retail chains to set up testing sites at their stores.
As of April 9, Walgreens had one drive-thru testing site running and 15 preparing to open; CVS had three; Walmart had two; Rite Aid had one; Target had none.
Also, the drive-thru sites those retailers have opened are not all available to just anyone. Their tests have been largely limited to people from certain high-risk groups.
Trump put no pressure on them to increase their response to a meaningful level and help the scientists get needed data.

When states ask for help getting test kits and analysis of the tests, Trump has left it to the states while refusing to get the needed test kits manufactured and distributed to the states, leaving them on their own to bid against each other AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT for the needed supplies.

This is the ineffective effort Trump has taken with his "total authority" to address the problem. The data are still not being collected at a satisfactory pace, and thus we still don't have those critical data needed to end shelter-in-place and social distancing. Doing so is still scientifically unsupportable.

Now, any predictions as to what the Trump Administration will advise in the next few weeks? Go ahead, guess.

Here is an update from the same expert. It would be fascinating if 50 times the base number of people had antibodies because it would mean the mortality rate was the same as normal flu:

" It would be fascinating if 50 times the base number of people had antibodies because it would mean the mortality rate was the same as normal flu:"-johnforbes

Yes, it would.

Now if only we had a President who made collecting those data a priority and who threw the power of the Federal government behind manufacturing tests, analyzing those tests, and collecting those data. Imagine how quickly it could be done if instead of the current million tests a day we were collecting 30-40 million tests a day as public health officials have asked. Imagine how much sooner rational decisions could be made about ending shelter-in-place and economic shut down.

Fauci spent 6 weeks dismissing HCQ, but he could have started his own clinical trial and found out.

Did he?

What does that have to do with manufacturing tests, analyzing results, and gathering the data on the spread of COVID-19, johnny?

Why has Trump failed to put his "total authority" behind those efforts to gather data as Dr. Ioannides has been urging for the past month?

You Trump simpletons are always so easily distracted by shiny objects your handlers throw in front of you.

States should coordinate the tests.

As to the CDC being incompetent, that is obvious.

Did Fauci and Birx, or the NIH, or the CDC, or even the Red Cross think about enough masks, or sanitizer, or paper towels, or anything?

Was Obama completely at fault in his flu crisis or his opioid crisis? No because he was not a doctor, and he relied on medical experts just as Trump did.

"States should coordinate the tests."-johnfuckedup

That one is so stupid I can't even bring myself to waste the energy slapping johnny around for his transparent and childish ignorance of how the real world works.

The only slapping around which Clowntoker has ever done involved movement of his belly fat...

Trump should continue on with his Klan rallies. It's nothing more than the Flu....right Johnnie?

Careful, elklindo.

By taking the side of Trump and his supporters, johnforbes will accuse you a "wanting people to die" even though you are only supporting their Constitutional right to assemble and grunt loudly.

Democrats control the House, why haven't they come up with plans for testing or offered solutions to the virus? It's as if they're not even working like other non essential federal workers.

Elkin's reference to Trump events as "Klan" ones just shows how insane Elkin is.

Except, unlike at Democrat rallies, the Klan actually shows up at Trump rallies to cheer and salute, johnny.

My staff is working diligently to try to understand what point, if any, Clown was attempting to make.

It would appear that Clown has been watching Biden's new video "Two Steps to Clear Thinking from a Man with Senile Dementia."