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Leaking classified information isn't whistleblowing, it's a crime.

Pass the popcorn.

Whoever said classified information was leaked?

How come none of those "Good Lawd ....Clinton spoke to Loretta Lynch on a tarmac” republicans commenting on Barr jetting across the planet to search for evidence to support widely debunked conspiracy theories?

"Leaking classified information isn't whistleblowing, it's a crime."-RealTool

Of course he did, dimwit, he was talking to Trump-supporting simpletons who didn't notice that there is no leaker of classified information. It didn't happen. You scumbags made it up.

Now, what did he say about the whistleblower who followed the steps spelled out in the whistleblower law? Did he say anything?

Of course he didn't. He left dishonest innuendo hanging in the air as red meat for morons like you.

The form was changed to allow gossip BECAUSE of this so-called whistleblower.

IG said he/she had "political bias" against Trump.

Probably another Deep State operation like the fake dossier, which was used to start the Mueller probe run by 19 partisan Democrats and not one single Republican investigator.

Thank you for that report from La La Land, Mr. Forbes.

Now do as the nice man in the white coat says.

The form was changed to allow gossip BECAUSE of this so-called whistleblower.

IG said he/she had "political bias" against Trump.

Probably another Deep State operation like the fake dossier, which was used to start the Mueller probe run by 19 partisan Democrats and not one single Republican investigator.

Today Barr said investigations were being open to determine who provided classified information to the person who then generated a complaint with it and according to the complaint there are at least 14 leakers of classified information.

It's different a person who classified information to take it to the IG, but you can't provide that classified to another person who doesn't have authorized access to so they can provide it to the IG.

"...but you can't provide that classified to another person who doesn't have authorized access to so they can provide it to the IG."-RealTool

Since you don't know a thing about the whistleblower's clearance level, once again your entire post is made up stupid shit and has nothing to do with the facts or reality.

And again, there wasn't even ONE leaker, let alone 14, dimwit. Why do you dishonest scumbags keep saying that?

Since you don't know a thing about the whistleblower's clearance level, once again your entire post is made up stupid shit and has nothing to do with the facts or reality.

Just because you have a security clearance doesn't been you are authorized access to all classified information. It just means you can access classified information if you authorized as a need for it to do your job. You can have a top secret clearance and be denied access to the lowest level classified information unless you have an authorized need for it. Clown that's basic 101 stuff, you're getting as slow as Biden.

As I said, Tool\, since you don't know a thing about the whistleblower's clearance level, your post has nothing to do with the facts or reality. And you also know nothing about what the whistleblower was authorized to see or hear.

Your entire post is made up stupid shit, as always. Live with it, Tool. You're nothing but an ignorant but useful tool.

The reason we don't know the precise clearance level is because this leaker (who was never really a "whistleblower" but instead a rumor monger) is because the leaker is a coward seeking to operate anonymously.

Sooner or later, the identity of this person will have to be revealed because he coordinated all this with Schiff and his staff.

As to the material leaked, it is obviously classified as a conversation between a president and the head of Ukraine.

johnny, that entire post is also made up stupid shit.

No one in their right mind would reveal themselves when the person they are blowing the whistle on is the PRESIDENT. This is not a matter of cowardice because a coward wouldn't have spoken up at all. That's what the whistleblower law is all about; a means for us to learn about the corruption of those holding power.

No one, including the President, is above the law. But if you cowards are going to hide behind "But it's classified so no one should know about it." then you have turned a President into a king, immune to all oversight and answerable to no one. (Admittedly, that's what cowardly conservatives have always wanted since Revolutionary War times.)

Again, no material was leaked. You keep saying it when you know it isn't true, you dishonest little turd.

No one, including the President, is above the law.

Everyone in this country has the right to face their accuser. Either people with access to classified information leaked classified information to that person or that person is making it all up. Either way the accuser and any leakers have to questioned under oath, if that information is validated, then and only then do you have justification to question the accused.

"Either people with access to classified information leaked classified information to that person or that person is making it all up."-RealStool

You have no idea if those are the only two options, dimwit. You're as ignorant as everyone else and so you are simply making up stupid shit again.

You overlook the quite obvious third option which is that the whistleblower was authorized to hear the classified information. It may have been his authorized job as an analyst to hear classified information from other intelligence people.

What accounts for this lack of imagination of conservatives? The lack of imagination is likely why they ARE conservatives in the first place. They are frightened of everything they can't understand.

The reason we don't know the precise clearance level is because this leaker (who was never really a "whistleblower" but instead a rumor monger) is because the leaker is a coward seeking to operate anonymously.

Sooner or later, the identity of this person will have to be revealed because he coordinated all this with Schiff and his staff.

As to the material leaked, it is obviously classified as a conversation between a president and the head of Ukraine.

Once again we see those who claim to support "law and orde" choosing to give the finger to the law.

The law says whistleblowers may remain anonymous, otherwise the rich and powerful will never be accused of their crimes. What the accused need to do is demonstrate that the accusations are false instead of doing nothing but using their power to try to destroy a good American. But Trump can't prove they are false because they are not false. He broke the law and tried to cover it up.

But this is what conservatives actually want; a world where they are immune from prosecution while the poor and weak get shafted for doing the same things.

Dimwits like johnforbes and RealTool can't understand why someone would need to be protected from the likes of Trump who has a lifelong record of nuisance lawsuits and financially destroying weaker people.

The law says whistleblowers may remain anonymous, otherwise the rich and powerful will never be accused of their crimes. What the accused need to do is demonstrate that the accusations are false

Wrong country clown, we don't have to prove we're not guilty, it's the other way around.

This leaker -- more properly, he/she could be called a spy -- was NOT a whistleblower.

They had to change the entire meaning to permit gossip.

Otherwise, this gossip mongering would have been rejected right away.

IT WAS A PERFECT PHONE CALL!!!!

IT WAS A PERFECT PHONE CALL !!!!!

............shouts Johnnie as he runs through his trailer home with a soup pot on his head and crashes through the front door with his pants around his ankles......

"Wrong country clown, we don't have to prove we're not guilty, it's the other way around."-RealTool

Apparently RealTool doesn't think accused people should give an alibi to the police when charged with a crime. He also doesn't think accused people should make a case as to why they couldn't have committed the crime they are charged with.

That would just be foolish, wouldn't it?

There is plenty of evidence supplied by Trump himself and others that Trump committed multiple crimes. If he doesn't show evidence that he didn't do the crimes then he will be charged and tried. Pointing the finger elsewhere won't get him off the hook for his own crimes, but so far that is his only strategy, and it's a losing one.

The fact is, only an idiot wouldn't demonstrate to authorities that they didn't do anything wrong.

his leaker -- more properly, he/she could be called a spy -- was NOT a whistleblower.

They had to change the entire meaning to permit gossip.

Otherwise, this gossip mongering would have been rejected right away.

But is wasn't, so tough luck, johnny. It's done, and done legally. Live with it.

We've all had enough of your incessant sour grape squeezings. You're making a real mess of the forum.

Look people....Trump admitted on national TV that he attempted to collude with a foreign government in order to get dirt on one of his political enemies. And we have the transcript of the phone conversation in which he stated that he was going to withhold military aid and this was verified by the Volker text messages.

So does that mean the impeachment inquiry has concluded and we’re ready to move forward to the next phase?

Like, what else could we possibly need at this point?

This is not rocket science, it's an open and shut case.....

It's like johnforbes always says--- it isn't even a partisan issue.

When a President of any party extorts a foreign government by threatening to withhold aid unless that government helps defeat that President's political enemy at home, any good American will be appalled.

Apparently RealTool doesn't think accused people should give an alibi to the police when charged with a crime. He also doesn't think accused people should make a case as to why they couldn't have committed the crime they are charged with.

Again clown, wrong country, no one in this country has to say a damn thing to anyone if accused of a crime. Guilt has to be proven, not disproven.

Exactly, Tool, so why doesn't Trump shut his mouth about this and trust that his innocence will vindicate him?

Instead he attacks the character of someone he knows nothing about. The IG told you and him that the whistleblower was a whistleblower and that what he said iss credible. That should be enough for Trump and you to shut up about it until the facts are brought to light in Congressional hearings. You should be begging for such hearings, not making fools of yourselves making up stupid shit you know nothing about.

This isn't even a partisan issue.

This person heard some gossip, and somebody in the office of the IG decided to change the form to permit the gossip to be taken as a complaint because they, too, must have loathed Trump.

IGs throughout the government cannot operate on mere gossip.

The reason we don't know the precise clearance level is because this leaker (who was never really a "whistleblower" but instead a rumor monger) is because the leaker is a coward seeking to operate anonymously.

Sooner or later, the identity of this person will have to be revealed because he coordinated all this with Schiff and his staff.

As to the material leaked, it is obviously classified as a conversation between a president and the head of Ukraine.

johnforbes wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:05 am
Sooner or later, the identity of this person will have to be revealed because he coordinated all this with Schiff and his staff.

In your previous pose you claimed that the whistle blower is a democrat....now you are claiming that the "identify of this person will have to be revealed?"

I'm gratified to see that johnforbes agrees with me, that it isn't a partisan issue.

When a President of any party extorts a foreign government by threatening to withhold aid unless that government helps defeat that President's political enemy at home, any good American will be appalled.

When a President of any party extorts a foreign government by threatening to withhold aid

Yep that's what the Obama administration did and his VP bragged about it. Trump has compelled China and Ukraine to investigate those extortions which we can all agree is a good thing.

In the mean time unemployment is at a 50 year low under Trump.

Tool, you overlooked posting the link to your claim.

From here it just looks like more of your made up stupid shit. It didn't happen.

Tool, you overlooked posting the link to your claim.

What claim?

"When a President of any party extorts a foreign government by threatening to withhold aid"-me

"... the Obama administration did and his VP bragged about it."-RealTool

^^^^^^ THAT claim, dummy. Made up stupid shit.

That's not a claim, why do think it's a claim?

Uhhhhh, because you CLAIMED it to be true? Yeah, that's probably it.

Uhhhhh, because you CLAIMED it to be true?

I made no claim, clown you continue to make shit up!

Fer cripes sake, Tool, learn to speak English already. You're in America now.

claim: state or assert that something is the case, typically without providing evidence or proof.


"When a President of any party extorts a foreign government by threatening to withhold aid"-me

"... the Obama administration did and his VP bragged about it."-RealTool

^^^^THAT is a claim, dimwit. Pretending it isn't only makes you look like a Trump supporter--that is, an absolute idiot.

Fer cripes sake, Tool, learn to speak English already. You're in America now.

claim: state or assert that something is the case, typically without providing evidence or proof.

Exactly, that's what I've been saying, I didn't make a claim. Boy clown you're slower than normal today.

Justme...You're getting pretty good with your spins of the facts. Crying shame they have no truth to them.

Snakeoil, are you an arbiter of what is true?

That seems unlikely.

As to the so-called whistleblower being a "registered Democrat," that is what the NY Times and Wash Post have been reporting.

If this person met with Schiff to ascertain the safest method for him/her of leaking classified info (which a private talk between the leaders of two nations would be), then the informant is NOT really a whistleblower at all, but merely a person who wants to leak classified material but avoid the penalty therefor.

johnforbes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:41 am Snakeoil, are you an arbiter of what is true?

That seems unlikely.

As to the so-called whistleblower being a "registered Democrat," that is what the NY Times and Wash Post have been reporting.

If this person met with Schiff to ascertain the safest method for him/her of leaking classified info (which a private talk between the leaders of two nations would be), then the informant is NOT really a whistleblower at all, but merely a person who wants to leak classified material but avoid the penalty therefor.

So Johnnie....then why did Trump hide the transcripts of the "perfect phone call" on a secret server?

You absolutely DID make a claim, dimwit. You asserted "Yep that's what the Obama administration did and his VP bragged about it." without any evidence or proof.

Ask johnforbes to referee this disagreement, why don't you, you illiterate Trump tool.

Trump claims that he only cares about investigating corruption not politics?

That's like Tony Soprano complaining about mob activity in Jersey....

I regret to inform Clown that I cannot become a referee.

Stripes are not my thing, although Clown has often worn them during periods of incarceration.

However, it should be noted en passant that Clown's logic has performed more flips than soccer star Pele.

Look people....Trump admitted on national TV that he attempted to collude with a foreign government in order to get dirt on one of his political enemies

Dude that was Schiff on national TV who claimed Trump said that while reading what he pretended to be a transcript of Trump's call...that's one of the reasons Schiff is now under investigation.

NY Times and Wash Post both reported that purported whistleblower was a "registered Democrat."

I assume, from that and from the snake-like behavior of this purported blower, that he is a Democrat.

Look, anybody can face their accuser.

Some anonymous partisan coward cannot undo the 2016 election.