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Clapper Admits the Word "Spying" is Appropriate

Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 5:28 pm
by johnforbes
Today also brought the news that it was not just one spy which the partisan intel chiefs put into the Trump campaign, but at least 3.

As early as August 2016, Strzok was texting about confidential human sources (plural), so it was the plan even back then to spy on the Trump campaign, cobble together a fake dossier, and abuse FISA to wiretap his campaign.

Likely this was the "insurance policy" which Strzok texted about.

Re: Clapper Admits the Word "Spying" is Appropriate

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 2:06 pm
by elklindo69
For as long as I can remember.....all of those right wing law and order wingnuts have told me that if you're innocent you have no reason to object to unchecked police powers of search and seizure. These are the same people now losing their fucking minds over Trump's business and tax records being requested by Congress?

Re: Clapper Admits the Word "Spying" is Appropriate

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 2:22 pm
by johnforbes
No, actually any true conservative finds central federal power to often be Orwellian.

Good liberals used to believe that too.

Today, the Left Wing favors central federal control of everything.

Re: Clapper Admits the Word "Spying" is Appropriate

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 5:35 pm
by elklindo69
So now Trump is losing his fucking marbles and publicly melting down because his hand picked fixer lawyer goon at the DOJ promised him that he could make this all go away and guess what....he can't make this all go away.

So continue on whining Donnie....you radioactive tangerine gasbag moron.

Re: Clapper Admits the Word "Spying" is Appropriate

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 5:47 pm
by johnforbes
Elkin, come on.

You've lost your mind with Trump Derangement.

You've allowed your hate for a transitory president to ruin your cognition.

Re: Clapper Admits the Word "Spying" is Appropriate

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 6:00 pm
by elklindo69
Come on Johnnie...the Lying Cheat who occupies the WH lied and cheated to win in 2016, and you know that he will lie and cheat to stay, even if he loses in 2020.

That's not even debatable.....

Re: Clapper Admits the Word "Spying" is Appropriate

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 6:55 am
by johnforbes
Elkin, I understand you are young.

You didn't grow up with the political hate of the Vietnam era, so all this is new to you.

But you've lost your mind with Trump Derangement.

Re: Clapper Admits the Word "Spying" is Appropriate

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 9:07 pm
by elklindo69
So now what do we have?

The republicans in the senate intelligence committee subpoenaed Donnie Jr.

Now Johnnie does that mean they're part of the democratic deep state that's lead by republicans Mr. Mueller and Mr. Comey?

Re: Clapper Admits the Word "Spying" is Appropriate

Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 3:56 pm
by johnforbes
Trump Jr attended a meeting with a Russian lawyer who promised dirt on Hillary.

He didn't get any.

Meanwhile, the DNC paid Steele to put together a pack of lies, and the fake dossier was used to abuse FISA and wiretap Trump.

Re: Clapper Admits the Word "Spying" is Appropriate

Posted: Sun May 12, 2019 7:54 am
by elklindo69
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Re: Clapper Admits the Word "Spying" is Appropriate

Posted: Sun May 12, 2019 1:57 pm
by johnforbes
So why isn't the Clinton Foundation penalized for pay to play?

Hillary sold uranium to Russia, and then Bill doubled his speaking fees, and they accepted Russia-derived money for the foundation...

Re: Clapper Admits the Word "Spying" is Appropriate

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 6:46 am
by Clownkicker
"Awwwk, Polly wanna cracker."-johnforbes

Re: Clapper Admits the Word "Spying" is Appropriate

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 7:49 am
by johnforbes
The concept of equal justice is not new or odd.

It is the way things should work.

Answer the question:

Why isn't the Clinton Foundation penalized for pay to play?

Hillary sold uranium to Russia, and then Bill doubled his speaking fees, and they accepted Russia-derived money for the foundation.

Yet those things were never investigated, at least insofar as the general public is aware.

And clearly Hillary was protected with a fake investigation after she violated 18 USC 793.

Look up that. She did break that law. Nobody can even dispute that.

Re: Clapper Admits the Word "Spying" is Appropriate

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 8:21 am
by Clownkicker
"Answer the question:
Why isn't the Clinton Foundation penalized for pay to play?"-johnflubs

Okay-- because the Trump Justice Department must be either corrupt or incompetent. Why do YOU think it is, johnny?

"Hillary sold uranium to Russia"-johnfibs

johnny, Hillary had nothing to do with the sale. It was Treasury, not State, that did it. She couldn't have stopped the sale even if she had wanted to. To keep dragging out this partisan canard makes you look like a moron. Why do you keep doing it?

And is there any law against the Clinton Foundation accepting foreign money? No. The law allows what the law allows, to paraphrase YOU. You believe splitting legal hairs is just fine for Trump, but you seek to hold the Clintons to some other standard. It's just your standard partisan hypocrisy again.

Instead of asking your disingenuous Clinton questions, why don't you question Trump's motives for not enforcing the law if it has been so obviously broken? You won't because you're just a loudmouthed partisan chickenshit when it comes to Trump.

"Bawk bawk"-johnforbes

Re: Clapper Admits the Word "Spying" is Appropriate

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 8:35 am
by johnforbes
Just not true.

She was not the only one to sign, that is true.

But she was the most important one, and her foundation was a significant beneficiary.

Bill doubled his speaking fees just after that, and millions flowed into the foundation.

Why wasn't that investigated given her own bragging about having met privately with Putin?

Leftists were demanding translator notes of Trump's talk with Putin, so why not with Hillary's?

Re: Clapper Admits the Word "Spying" is Appropriate

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 9:16 am
by Clownkicker
She was one of nine people (all of whose opinions carried equal weight) who could register disagreement with he deal, but that's ALL they could do.

Hillary's opinion didn't carry any legal weight as far as whether or not the deal went through. Her opinion could have been acted on or shrugged off by Treasury, regardless of what her opinion was. She only had the power to comment on the deal, not to alter it in any way.

"The most important one" in the deal was the Treasury Secretary who actually had the power to sign off on the deal, and no matter what red herrings you drag out, it won't change that fact. Your false comments are just partisan propaganda. The sad thing is, you don't seem to understand the partisan nonsense you have filled your head with is just that-- partisan nonsense.

Re: Clapper Admits the Word "Spying" is Appropriate

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 9:47 am
by johnforbes
Oh, be serious.

The Secretary of State, the wife of a former president, and a candidate for the presidency who was supposed to win, it would be extremely naïve to deem that just another opinion.

Her signature was by far the most important, and the word was that that was dispositive.

Her foundation reaped enormous benefits as well, and the uranium disappeared into Canada and then to parts unknown.

Uranium is the foundational material for nuclear weapons, so this was not petty matter.

But Woodward and Bernstein had zero interest because Hillary was a fellow Democrat. Ditto Comey and Holder and Lynch et al.

Re: Clapper Admits the Word "Spying" is Appropriate

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 5:39 pm
by elklindo69
Trump started a trade war with China for no reason, bankrupted our farmers in the process, borrowed money from China to bail out farmers from his trade war with China, while lying and claiming the US is benefitting from the tariffs and his supporters are dumb enough to believe it.

But wait Johnnie....the fucking email lady!!!

Re: Clapper Admits the Word "Spying" is Appropriate

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 7:47 am
by johnforbes
It is simply a fact that Hillary contravened 18 USC 793.

Feel free to dispute that if you can. You can't.

Clapper lied about whether hundreds of millions of Americans had their data collected.

Brennan said he didn't know who paid for the fake dossier which he gave to Harry Reid, and surely that was not true.

Re: Clapper Admits the Word "Spying" is Appropriate

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:55 am
by Clownkicker
jonny, would you just send Trump your droning screeds instead of boring us all with them? Dredging up Hillary every time you are unable to refute someone's post only demonstrates your intellectual impotence.

If it upsets you that much, tell Trump how he is failing to uphold the law and it pisses you off.

Go ahead, johnny. If Trump doesn't care and Barr doesn't care, why should I care about your incessant parroted foolishness?

Re: Clapper Admits the Word "Spying" is Appropriate

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 10:47 am
by johnforbes
It is simply a fact that Hillary contravened 18 USC 793.

Feel free to dispute that if you can.

Clapper lied about whether hundreds of millions of Americans had their data collected.

Brennan said he didn't know who paid for the fake dossier which he gave to Harry Reid, and surely that was not true.

Re: Clapper Admits the Word "Spying" is Appropriate

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 3:33 pm
by elklindo69
Johnnie wanna cracker....Johnnie wanna cracker....Johnnie wanna cracker....

I suppose that we can thank the good Lawd that we denied the presidency to the email Lady who we imagined was a crooked bloodthirsty warmongering national security risk and handed it instead to the chickenhawks who are actually all of those things.

Re: Clapper Admits the Word "Spying" is Appropriate

Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 1:26 pm
by johnforbes
It is simply a fact that Hillary contravened 18 USC 793.

Feel free to dispute that if you can.

Clapper lied about whether hundreds of millions of Americans had their data collected.

Brennan said he didn't know who paid for the fake dossier which he gave to Harry Reid, and surely that was not true.

Re: Clapper Admits the Word "Spying" is Appropriate

Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 5:06 pm
by elklindo69
Barr conceded that he wrote his 4-page summary of the Mueller Report before he read the entire document.

As a corollary....Barr conceded that he wrote a book report without even reading the book?

Kids in grade school know you don't do that shit?

Johnnie wanna cracka..................