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The Dow Jones industrial average just did something it has never done in its 121-year history. The DOW climbed more than 5,000 points during Trump's first year in office. This is the biggest annual-points gain for the Dow in its history.

But, but they were told Trump would destroy our economy and wouldn't last 90 days, it turns out he exceeding EVERYONE's predictions and has been super successful.

Hillary's reaction to our President's achievements in just one year.

Justme is the perfect contrarian indicator.

How's that Fluor doing?

:lol:

elklindo69 wrote:Justme is the perfect contrarian indicator.

How's that Fluor doing?

:lol:

Feeling the pinch there are ya Doofus

Suicides are way up in liberal cities as they continue to melt down when they hear Trump announce another victory. They should allow assisted suicide in the university safe zones to make America Great Again!

RealJustme wrote:Suicides are way up in liberal cities as they continue to melt down when they hear Trump announce another victory. They should allow assisted suicide in the university safe zones to make America Great Again!

Only half of Americans have a 401K.

And only 18% own stocks.

Much lower for the deplorables....

:lol:

Only half of Americans have a 401K.

And only 18% own stocks.

So libtard solution is to punish those worked hard and saved by forcing them to share that money by paying more taxes. Taxes used to be used to pay for essential government services and care for those who can't care for themselves, now they're being used to share people's savings and hard work to give to those who "feel" they should be cared for.

elklindo69 wrote:Only half of Americans have a 401K.

And only 18% own stocks.

Much lower for the deplorables....

:lol:

So your saying its a good thing Trump is president or you libs wouldn't be making all this money..

Make up your mind Elkdoofus stop the flip flopping :lol: :lol: :lol:

Elkin, you are free to give extra money to the US Treasury to lower the public debt.

I can get you the postal address, which is in WV thanks to Senator Byrd.

Let me know.

Given johnforbes' attitude that those who complain about the debt should pay more for it, then johnny should be telling all the Republican Tea Party clowns who are now voting for this tax bill which increases the debt that they should all be sending their money to the Treasury.

In fact, why stop with the Tea Party? johnforbes should be telling every Republican who was in office for the past nine years that they should be sending more of their own money to the Treasury.

But he won't, of course, because loud-mouthed, disingenuous hypocrisy is all johnforbes and Republicans know.

CNN's Don Lemon at a loss to explain how President Trump can have such low approval numbers and yet
have a rising stock market and strong economy.....
Of course the faggot forgets to point out the Poll he is using was done by CNN..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Clownkicker wrote:Given johnforbes' attitude that those who complain about the debt should pay more for it, then johnny should be telling all the Republican Tea Party clowns who are now voting for this tax bill which increases the debt that they should all be sending their money to the Treasury.

In fact, why stop with the Tea Party? johnforbes should be telling every Republican who was in office for the past nine years that they should be sending more of their own money to the Treasury.

But he won't, of course, because loud-mouthed, disingenuous hypocrisy is all johnforbes and Republicans know.

So your saying we should be paying more taxes to take care of worthless freeloaders instead of taking care of our own families and preparing for retirement.
How much do you donate Clown? Im betting not a fucking dime. Your greedy ass fucking union slug who does nothing but look at Porn all day long telling others how we should be spending our money on pet liberal projects that drain the system.

In the past when the AssClown Loser Marxist Tool complained that we weren't taxed enough I've suggested that he write a huge check to the United States Treasury.

He never has though.

Libtards only want to spend other people's money.

Given the AssClown Insipid's attitude that those who complain about the debt should pay more for it, then Insipid should be telling all the Republican Tea Party clowns who are now voting for this tax bill which increases the debt that they should all be sending their money to the Treasury.

In fact, why stop with the Tea Party? The AssClown Insipid should be telling every Republican who was in office for the past nine years that they should be sending more of their own money to the Treasury.

But he won't, of course, because loud-mouthed, disingenuous hypocrisy is all the AssClown Punk Bitch Urinal Insipid and Republicans know.

Clownlicker is wrong.

ANYBODY can send money to the US Treasury to reduce the debt.

Clownlicker does not want a tax cut, so he will send the extra money in.

It's a shame. We might have seen Pee-Lousey go through several spasms and brain lock episodes.

Former Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi bailed on a “highly-anticipated” protest against the GOP tax cuts making their way through Congress on Monday, ditching the event at the last minute after only dozens of liberal demonstrators turned up at the event inside the Capitol.

A reporter for left-leaning MSNBC news was on the scene to cover the event, but was forced to admit the blatant failure on-air, saying the protest was nothing like “what we saw with the healthcare law.”

There's no such thing as a free lunch Johnnie...

elklindo69 wrote:There's no such thing as a free lunch Johnnie...

Finally starting to figure it out Elk. that WE, the taxpayers have to pay for it...

That is true.

I also agree that any increase in debt should be taken seriously.

However, there is good debt and bad debt.

A car loan is almost always bad debt, but a home mortgage can be good debt.

For myself, I have always favored zero debt. Today I owe nobody one red cent. So I am aware that the tax bill will probably cause some short-term increase.

Still, it will be good debt if GDP growth rises to 4 percent, which seems eminently possible by the end of next year.

Already we are in the neighborhood of a sustainable 3.

Paul Krugman said Trump would be a disaster for the stock market. I had to disagree even though he has a Ph.D. in econ which I don't. But...he was wrong about 2017 investing and and an old country boy like me was correct.

My worst investments this year are up 16 percent. The best 49 percent.

"However, there is good debt and bad debt."-johnforbes

Exactly, debt taken on for infrastructure improvements, for example, would be good debt.
But needless debt taken on in good financial times is idiotic. Good financial times should be used to pay down debt.
Even the rosiest scenario painted by Republicans leaves us with $500 billion in new debt with nothing to show for it but greater wealth disparity and millions more people without medical insurance.

There is virtually no chance of 4% growth for any length of time, if ever in the next five years.
CEOs of many major companies have already told us they aren't going to invest it into new jobs or new construction of plants here.

Even a higher stock market won't help the economy because 80% of that money in dividends and capital gains goes to the already rich top 20% of the population.
And John Q. Public's 401k isn't accessible to until retirement, so any paper increases there will not be put into the economy either.

And John Q. Public's 401k isn't accessible to until retirement, so any paper increases there will not be put into the economy either.

Banks take that money and make loans to the John Q. Publics for startups or improvements to existing businesses..and so on.....
So Clown...what are you going to so with you increased refund?

I plan on using the money to hire two more men for my business next year, don't want the additional bags and risks involved with female employees. One of them gets mad for whatever reason they can ruin a business with fake allegations with no fear of reprisal.

You were going to hire them anyway, Tool.

Why pretend it has anything to do with the tax scam?

Clownkicker wrote:You were going to hire them anyway, Tool.

Why pretend it has anything to do with the tax scam?

How do you hire a person when the gov is robbing you of your profits.. Just because Union slugs can hire all they want doesnt mean the rest of us can..

So now the AssClown Loser Marxist Tool is clearly on record as saying the tax bill will have no positive effects.

Gotcha.

ATT just announced a billion plus dollar capital improvement plan and a thousand dollar bonus to all employees.

ATT was a favorite target for UpChuck Schumer's snide derision.

I agree with Clown regarding infrastructure spending, and I hope the Repubs and Dems can do something next year about that.

However, I will take that bet about 4 percent growth, which probably will transpire by the end of next year.

The conservatards are claiming with tax breaks...corporations will hire more people?

If businesses need more people and don't have the money...that's why they have banks.

:lol:

Just one year ago, Paul Krugman and others with superb credentials in economics were saying that the market liked certainty and that only Hillary provided that and that Trump would be a disaster for the markets.

I felt otherwise, despite lacking Krugman's credentials in that field.

My opinion is that tax cuts foment economic growth, and I will gladly bet anybody that we'll see 4 percent in a year.

Or less; we are at 3 now effectively and even the bad storm season/floods didn't stop that.

The conservatards are claiming with tax breaks...corporations will hire more people?

If businesses need more people and don't have the money...that's why they have banks.

Dude, there you go thinking like a libtard, private businesses can't just go an draw out more money if they want it like the government can, they can't continue to operate on a deficit.

If they need money just go to the bank and get some. :lol: :lol: :lol:

RealJustme wrote:

The conservatards are claiming with tax breaks...corporations will hire more people?

If businesses need more people and don't have the money...that's why they have banks.

Dude, there you go thinking like a libtard, private businesses can't just go an draw out more money if they want it like the government can, they can't continue to operate on a deficit.

Have you ever heard of......corporate bonds?

:lol: :mrgreen: :lol:

Have you ever heard of......corporate bonds?

So are you saying corporate bonds are like tax dollars, you can just get them free?

RealJustme wrote:

Have you ever heard of......corporate bonds?

So are you saying corporate bonds are like tax dollars, you can just get them free?

ROFLMAO @ Elkduffos

Even some at the Fed believe we are poised for 4 percent growth?

RealJustme wrote:

Have you ever heard of......corporate bonds?

So are you saying corporate bonds are like tax dollars, you can just get them free?

Do you think your tax cuts are for free?

No free lunches...

elklindo69 wrote:

RealJustme wrote:

Have you ever heard of......corporate bonds?

So are you saying corporate bonds are like tax dollars, you can just get them free?

Do you think your tax cuts are for free?

No free lunches...

What does even mean Elkdufoos. Give us an example. convince me why I should give MY pay that I support MY family with, to support what ever it is you want me to support

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What does even mean Elkdufoos. Give us an example. convince me why I should give MY pay that I support MY family with, to support what ever it is you want me to support[/quote]

The government owes 20 trillion dollars...

It just doesn't go way.

Someone has to pay for it.

No free lunches....dummy!

elklindo69 wrote:

What does even mean Elkdufoos. Give us an example. convince me why I should give MY pay that I support MY family with, to support what ever it is you want me to support[/quote]

The government owes 20 trillion dollars...

It just doesn't go way.

Someone has to pay for it.

No free lunches....dummy![/quote]
then we need to cut out DACA, the UN, Freeloader collage slugs, foreign aid, and a ton of liberal pet projects.. would about cover it.
DACA alone would cut out 65 million.

The government owes 20 trillion dollars...

Agree Elk, the government needs to trim down big time. I'm really glad the left is agreeing with us on that.

Tool, the government owes $20 trillion.

Cutting the size of government will do nothing to pay back that money, dummy. It needs to come from taxes.
Trump just gave the debt payback money to the richest 20% of Americans and only made the debt worse.

And someone really needs to tell namandgulfdumbfuck that $65 million doesn't even put a minuscule dent in the debt.

$20,606,271,320,000 - National debt today
----------$65,000,000 - namandgulfs made up cost of DACA
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$20,606,206,320,000 -do you see the difference getting rid of DACA would make, dummy? :shock:

It will be a hoot the day you and the rest of your Trump-supporter tool friends come here demanding you all want to get rid of your Social Security retirement money and your Medicare health coverage to help make America great again.

Let's all hold our breaths for that one, shall we, you loud-mouthed hypocrites? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Tool, the government owes $20 trillion.

Cutting the size of government will do nothing to pay back that money, dummy.

So cutting back on spending doesn't help a debt problem? Typical libtard response, cutting back on spending isn't the solution, just toss more money at it and the debt will do away. :lol: :lol: :lol:

It doesn't help the EXISTING debt problem, dimwit. That money is already spent.

The only way to pay it back is with taxes. It's the one thing conservatives are just too stupid to understand: you need to pay your bills, and all the tax cuts in the world won't do that.
Typical conservatard response, paying your bills is not the solution, just let compound interest on your debt ruin you.

Cutting the size of government will only help with future INCREASES to the debt, unless of course the tax cuts are greater than the expense reductions, which is exactly the case we face with the Republican tax boondoggle.

It doesn't help the EXISTING debt problem, dimwit. That money is already spent.

In the real world, you have limited money so you have to reduce your spending if you can't pay your bills. It's really that simple dude.

In the real world, once you have borrowed money, you have to raise the money to pay it back.

Trust me, dummy, a loan shark couldn't care less if you cut your expenses or not.
They want their money and they're going to get it, or else.

It's really that simple, dude.

RealJustme wrote:

Tool, the government owes $20 trillion.

Cutting the size of government will do nothing to pay back that money, dummy.

So cutting back on spending doesn't help a debt problem? Typical libtard response, cutting back on spending isn't the solution, just toss more money at it and the debt will do away. :lol: :lol: :lol:

So now you are telling us that by cutting taxes...the money used to pay off national debt...will make the national debt will go away?

You pussy hat wearing whiners, do know that part of the national debt, we owe to ourselves right? :o :lol:

You conservatard bloviators do know that just because the Social Security trust fund was been raided to lend ourselves money doesn't mean that you hypocrites aren't going to be crying about how you 'earned' your Social Security checks and so you'll be damned if you don't get every penny of what you think you got comin'.

sillydummy will undoubtedly be comforted when Republicans cut his entitlements by knowing that he just owes himself the money anyway. :lol:

The AssClown Loser Marxist Tool and his butt boy acolyte Elkindooofus the Unwise will calculate their tax savings and in protest will write a check to the United States Treasury for that amount.

Or better yet, calculate their taxes and if owed a refund, just refuse to file in protest.

There, THAT'S the ticket!

So now you are telling us that by cutting taxes...the money used to pay off national debt...will make the national debt will go away?
elklindo69

Cutting taxes generates "more people paying taxes" by stimulating the economy. Economics 101. To reduce a debt you MUST decrease spending. Economics 101.

Cut the government, do away with feel good projects, reduce red tape, put people on welfare to work so "they're" paying taxes instead of receiving them. Reduce taxes on businesses so they can expand creating more tax paying jobs also reducing the need for social assistance (tax money saved). That's what needs to happen...wait, that's what Trump is doing.

Clownkicker wrote:In the real world, once you have borrowed money, you have to raise the money to pay it back.

Trust me, dummy, a loan shark couldn't care less if you cut your expenses or not.
They want their money and they're going to get it, or else.

It's really that simple, dude.

Whos the loan shark here Asslicker? China! You keep touting payb more taxes pay more taxes... Why not cut back on spending.. Get rid of the FREE loaders like DACA, those one welfare who can work, and pet projects on both sides that dont benefit anyone outside of a 100 mile radius. Stop feeding union slugs who are lazy and troll a porn board 24/7.. Stop the Bribe money going overseas to foreign countries and the UN. None of which we need.

Its time we took care of our own and fuck the rest of these freeloaders

Elddoofus were all waiting for an explanation.. crickets eh Elk