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Trump continues to play chess while Democrats play checkers.

Congress failing to act on Obamacare is the best thing that could have happened for Trump. Undoing Obamacare and fixing it would have cost billions, in the mean time every time someone died without insurance it would have been Trump's fault, the media would run their faces 24/7 on headlines news. Now Democrats and Congress OWN Obamacare.

Now Trump can say he tried, but Congress blocked him, they own the Obamacare crisis which is exploding. He just has to sit back and giggle when Democrats or Congress say something must be done about it. Trump should veto any attempt to pump more money into Obamacare and tell them to make it work. Trump continues to win.

There is a Santa Claus.

Repubs should rescind the individual mandate, and take care of Medicaid expansion if some states want that (as Ohio apparently may), and then just let Obamacare continue to fail.

Obamacare has already failed, now all Trump has to do is watch it crumble to ground and point at the Democrats and Congress and say "I told you"

When people start rioting as a result Trump can impose new powers to get the rest of his agenda completed. The dude was holding his breath hoping he wouldn't have to put a new healthcare system in place knowing Democrats and the media would bash it now matter what, now he just has to sit back and giggle.

A TOTAL TRUMP.....FAIL!!!!!!!!!

:lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen:

Nope Elk, had they done away with Obamacare, Obama and libtards would have claimed it was working and greatest thing since slice bread but Trump destroyed it. Now we'll get to watch Obama's healthcare system collapse just as it was written. I am 100% certain Obama was hoping the GOP would do away with it so he could save face and claim it was working...now he owns it.

I told ya it was Trump's plan all along.

Trump has floated an alternative - allowing the Affordable Care Act to collapse on its own.

"I think we're probably in that position where we'll let ObamaCare fail," he said Tuesday.

"We're not going to own it. I'm not going to own it. I can tell you the Republicans are not going to own it. We'll let ObamaCare fail and then the Democrats are going to come to us."

So...The right-tards win either way, eh? Alt reality, for sure.

PS......You guys sound like the classic definition of "Snowflake" to me.

So...The right-tards win either way, eh?

Nope Trump would have been screwed if he was forced to come up with a new health plan, no matter how well it worked the media and Democrats would call it a failure, Obama would whine that he had the perfect system and Trump destroyed it. Now Trump gets to watch Obamacare fail and gets to blame Democrats and Congress when the people rise up.

Now Justme is claiming that Trump implored congress to repeal Obamacare in order to set Trump up for failure.

:lol:

Tool can't even be honest about THIS. :lol:

Everyone knows that if the Senate bill had passed and Trump signed it, RealTool would have been here bleating about how Trump was da man, that it was a YUGE win, that Trump kept his promise to repeal and replace Obamacare, that Republicans and Trump were showing us how it's done, and that all is right with the world in his deluded mind.

With RealTool, spin is everything, and everything is always positive for Trump, no matter how disastrous.
RealTool doesn't yet understand that Republicans have again been shown to be impotent, both as a government and as an ideology. They can't govern, not even when they control the White House and both houses of Congress.

Six months in control and nothing to show for it beyond daily scandals. GO GOP!

I can't wait to hear how RealStupid rationalizes tRumpf's being removed from office as a Win for the orange buffoon.

Long ago, Trump had said that the best thing for politics would be to just let Obamacare continue to hurt people with Dems owning it.

He tried to get it repealed, but Dems and 3 Repub gals (Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Shelley Capito) wanted the Medicaid money.

So now Americans will continue to suffer with Obamacare.

That's really a dumb and dishonest take on that, Forbes.

It's the job of insurance companies to make money. Denying claims is a great way for them to do that. Meddling from the anti-Obama crowd has facilitated insurance companies dirty dealings.

Are there parts of ACA that need work? Yes, but the proper way to handle that is to fix it....not destroy it. tRumpcare is a MUCH worse alternative.....or "better", IF you are determined to deny insurance and medical care to even more people.

It's the job of insurance companies to make money. Denying claims is a great way for them to do that.

95% of workers at insurance companies are middle income folks that are only making around 100K, they are not rich people trying to deny claims to make them rich. If they pay our more they have to bring in more and that's why rates change.

It would be dumb and dishonest to pretend Collins, Murkowski, and Capito were not all about the Medicaid money.

For sheer politics, Trump would have been much better off to not even try to fix the spectacular mess of Obamacare.

Dems rammed it through with lies, votes at midnight, votes in a blizzard, votes bought with the Cornhusker Kickback, and it was a pack of lies -- keep your doctor, keep your plan, reduce average costs, be deficit-neutral.

All lies, and those lies were intentional as Professor Gruber noted.

johnforbes is upset because the Republicans tried to "ram through" a bill but failed. :shock:


"It would be dumb and dishonest to pretend Collins, Murkowski, and Capito were not all about the Medicaid money."-johnflubs

Of course they were all about the Medicaid money, johnny.

If they don't get it they have to throw thousands of people into the uninsured heap of people most Republicans hold in contempt.
Those guys couldn't do it, apparently. Their Borg/Trump implants haven't completely snuffed out their humanity yet.

I'm not at all upset.

K Street doesn't run me like it does Congress.

All Repubs ever needed to do was rescind the individual mandate, then let Obamacare fail.

That and just let the states do whatever they want with Medicaid.

Clearly, Alaska and Maine and WV are already addicted to that money.

Interestingly, these 3 gals were all essentially Democrats addicted to federal money.

And not so interestingly, the rest of johnny's 'virtuous' Republicans are addicted to insurance company money.
And Koch money.

Just noticed it's been a while since I posted on this thread.

We thank you for the 9 hour respite, Tool.

Could you be so good as to make it 24 hours next time?

LOL

See what I mean Dogshit?

You have your nose so far up comrade AssClown's ass he can't even fart.
But that homo fag enjoys it.

Last night, my bronzed fingers typed words on this thread delivered to those digits by an acute intellect.

I shall not post on this thread until 24 hours have elapsed since my last post.

Unless, of course, I elect to post before that juncture.

Ya know, Assclown Insipid......Those individuals who bark the loudest about things they don't like, are usually guilty of those exact things. I'm betting that you have slurped on many a man's penis, so tell us.....Do you enjoy cut or uncut the best? And....do you swallow?

Talk to your fag butt buddy comrade shitstain AssClown about those things Dogshit.

How's that fantasy 25th Ammendment thing going, even as we speak?

Those individuals who bark the loudest about things they don't like, are usually guilty of those exact things.

Dog, you sure are doing a lot of barking about Trump and his activities.

Come on, Assclown Insipid......We know you enjoy a nice big sausage every now and then. Your passion gives you away!

The Dog has a one track mind ...that he has now worn down to a rut :lol: :lol:

Grog used to dance in Frisco under the name "John Cameron Sways."

His motto was "It Takes a Licking, but Keeps on Licking."

More problems for Obamacare, insurance companies are demanding 30% or more increases or their going to bail on some States that are down to just one choice. The insurance companies are rightfully saying this is not what they were promised when they agreed to underwrite the policies, some are losing 100's of millions each year and are digging into their reserves. The Democrats are scrambling to come up with solutions and called for meetings with the President who declined telling them, you're problem you fix it and don't count on increased handouts from the federal government.

Trump "NOT MY PROPLEM, you guys blocked my efforts to fix it, so I'm moving on to other issue, YOU OWN IT"

Donnie is a total failure.

I shall not post on this thread until 24 hours have elapsed since my last post.

Unless, of course, I elect to post before that juncture.

Democrats are looking at each other as Obamacare collapses and ask "we get to keep it, what now?"

RealTool is still trying to spin another of Trump's epic failures into a victory of some sort.


Aren't you tired of losing yet, Tool? :lol:

Obamacare is "failing" only because the insurance companies are listening to all the conservative BS. The just love the conservatives, because it'll help em rake the public over the coals even more.

There IS a simple solution to all of this. One that will kill obamacare, AND help all Americans. Single Payer. Medicare for all. The public gets good insurance for less. The overhead is DRAMATICALLY reduced. Taxpayers pay less....
In fact, the only losers are the big insurance companies....which is actually a good thing.

BummerCare was intended right from the start to fail and force everyone into single payer. What was never intended was for it to fail so quickly.
What Dogshit is hoping for exists in Canada and Great Britain, health care rationing and death panels that determine if your life has enough value to the state to be preserved.

Dogshit should be careful of what he is advocating. Soon the degenerate drunk is going to need a liver transplant. When the medical board examines his life of drunken debauchery and paedophilia, he will be told to go home and die.

Single payer healthcare just puts the government in charge and that's failed it's been tried. Even Canadians who are taxed out their asses for the "free" healthcare come to the United States for treatment if they can afford it. How many Americans go to Canada for treatment? They should have a much better healthcare system since their government runs it...according to libtard thinking. In Germany you have two levels of healthcare, the free one that everyone pays into and then there's the private healthcare system that the wealthy use by buying their own insurance policies. Guess which one is at a US level of healthcare, the one ran by the German government, or the private one? It's a shame they have to pay 20% of their income for the government ran healthcare which is so bad they don't even use it and pay extra for a good private ran system. Now guess which one cost the least to run, you got it the private one.