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Frankfurt am Main (AFP) - Europe "must take its fate into its own hands" faced with a western alliance divided by Brexit and Donald Trump's presidency, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said Sunday. "The times in which we could completely depend on others are on the way out. I've experienced that in the last few days," Merkel told a crowd at an election rally in Munich, southern Germany. "We Europeans truly have to take our fate into our own hands," she added.
While Germany and Europe would strive to remain on good terms with America and Britain, "we have to fight for our own destiny", Merkel went on.

About damn time Europe starts wiping it's own ass. Trump is Da Man!

Its about fucking time

Julie "I Love Democrats" Pace writes anti-Trump articles every day pretending she is a "journalist."

She said today Trump's diplomacy was "unconventional."

Yeah, expecting NATO nations to pay up is unconventional.

So you're ok with us being isolated?

Does, "Fight for our own destiny" sound a lot like, "Leibenstrom?"

So you're ok with us being isolated?

Dog...there's nothing wrong with asking others to pay their own way...
as for isolated... no such thing in this day and age...the US still maintains a military presence in 150 countries... :o

Trump's campaign was outspent 7 to 1 in 2016, but they still lost.

NATO wastes tons of money. For example, their move away from 7.62. There are many other examples.

I agree with the concept that we (the US) should not be paying for the rest of the world. But that's not all that Merkel was referring to.

No doubt.

Merkel has ruined Germany, and with open borders much of Europe, with her stupendously ill-advised immigration.

Well..Dog don't forget to factor this in..
Merkel is fighting for her political life...with elections coming in September, and it's looking
more and more like the UK and US will not be paying for lunch... :o

People talk about NATO as if it were some sacred cow.

If America were attacked, how many NATO nations would come to our aid?

People talk about NATO as if it were some sacred cow.

NATO is far outdated and so are it's members and policies. The United States has been providing other NATO countries with American blood and money to protect them while those very countries have charged us outrageous rent for land to house our men and women, their to fight for them. Germany is one of the worse, they cut back their defense budget while demanding the United States pay and do more to protect them. We pay billions every year to the German government so they "allow" us to operate military bases in their country.

Lots have changed since NATO was formed in 1949, we no longer need to have thousands of soldiers stationed oversees, the battle fields and rules of combat have changed. Merkel is correct, under Trump, Europe will need to do more to defend themselves and can no longer count on the billions of dollars we pay to defend them.

Time to get with the times.

"If America were attacked, how many NATO nations would come to our aid?"-johnfibs

Uhh, only ALL OF THEM, dimwit.

The ONLY time NATO's Article 5 was ever invoked was when the U.S. was attacked in 2001.

Honestly, johnny, your dishonesty is nearly inconceivable. But then I remember you're a Trump supporter.

All the NATO nations would voice strong support of the U.S. and condemnation of whomever attacked us and that would be about it.
And the AssClown would rejoice and hope the attack would finally bring on the revolution he and his fellow travelers have been praying for.

And THEN, finally, we could start turning communists into GOOD communists.
Hasten the day.

Yes..after 9/11 NATO invoked Article 5...
All NATO members lowered their flags to half mast and observed 3 minutes of silence.....

silly, NATO members did everything the U.S. asked them to do in response to the attack.

Are you pretending they should have done something else?

Yes...Clown I am! Maybe not be so welcoming to potential terrorists...
at least not leave the doors wide open.... :o

So what real aid did all of the NATO nations give to the U.S. after 9/11?

Well, let's get real, most of them did not do one single, solitary, substantive thing.

Yeah, let's get real. Not one of them followed Bush into Iraq, right johnny?

Clownkicker wrote:Yeah, let's get real. Not one of them followed Bush into Iraq, right johnny?

How many liberal twats voted to allow Bush to go into Iraq you nit wit. You really enjoy being stupid dont you Lesh. go back to doing something you know. following Ojackass around sucking the shit out of his asshole like you always do.

namngulfvet wrote:

Clownkicker wrote:Yeah, let's get real. Not one of them followed Bush into Iraq, right johnny?

How many liberal twats voted to allow Bush to go into Iraq you nit wit. You really enjoy being stupid dont you Lesh. go back to doing something you know. following Ojackass around sucking the shit out of his asshole like you always do.

Bush lied...thousands died.

See, johnny? Even namandgulfdumbfuck is adamant that everyone supported Bush in Iraq.

Thanks for the back up, you clueless imbecile. :lol: :lol:

[quotesilly, NATO members did everything the U.S. asked them to do in response to the attack.
][/quote]

Yep, they allowed us to fly through their airspace and use the NATO military bases we paid for. A attack on one is an attack on all...there are 28 NATO members, why were 95% of fighting casualties Americans? You can bet that if any of the other 27 NATO members are attacked, they're counting on 95% of fighting casualties to be Americans again. Time for them to country up, we've been played as a fool long enough.

Clowntoker must be delusional if he thinks the Bundeswehr will take the lead, or play any significant role, in any NATO crisis.

The reason some NATO members helped the US in Iraq... was because Bush dangled a carrot in from of them....He said he would protect the oil....