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Under Project Dragnet, the NSA surveilled Trump from 2004 to 2010 (and almost surely after).

This database info was apparently obtained from law enforcement, specifically a NSA contractor.

It is being circulated by Alex Jones, who is often described as a conspiracy theorist. But, just as with Wikileaks, the interesting material is the material -- not the source of the leak.

It sure looks like Trump was electronically surveilled in far more thorough fashion that even he thought. But did Obama order that? It looks like he merely inherited the ongoing activity, but surely would have known about it.

Whether you like Wikileaks or not, a lot of interesting info emerged from them.

The NY Times and the Guardian have reported that the CIA surveilled the Senate (their own supervisors) in 2013-2014. If that is true, how far out of control has intel gotten?

Sounds like the Intel community is running their own show.
Again.

If there is a judge willing to block a Federal immigration ban affecting the entire nation...
then there is a judge willing to OK surveillance on anyone for any reason.... :o :o :lol: :o

True.

Also, it looks like any sitting president can order a wiretap on his own motion (vide Ch 36, Title 50, US Code).

Fun bump!

2004 to 2010? Why would Cheney have cause to surveil Donnie?

Conservatards didn't even bother defending Trump about the wiretap claims.

SAD!

:lol:

I think what has to be accepted here, partisanship aside, is the extensive nature of NSA scrutiny.

It would be interesting to know what any given president knows about it, or to what extent he could guide or halt it.

But, of course, a discussion like that is beyond a kid like Elkin.

Grog isn't mature or intelligent, so he couldn't discuss it on that level either.

All they can do is the childish "But I'm a Left Winger and you aren't."