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sweetballs wrote:Add me to the list of people calling "Bullshit". I've been visiting VW and RC since the beginning. Over the years the site has always been more primitive than other sites of this nature. The BB was obtuse and lacked many features of a real BB system, VW admin was unresponsive to the users and failed to communicate site issues to the users.

I guess you never went to the "Site Issues" BB.

sweetballs wrote:RC/VW allowed assholes to run rampant and chase great posters away. The site has been offline for 2.5 days now. One of the excuses was that 'we are doing some long-neglected maintenance". What a crock. An operation of this size with multiple servers keeps up with server maintenance and replacement! It's the lifeblood of your business!

It's also a good time to do it while software people are doing other things.

sweetballs wrote:They keep good backups too in case there's a catastrophe!

They did keep good backups, and used them several times over the years. But you have obviously never dealt with employee theft issues. If I had an employee back a truck up and empty a warehouse before he left one of the first things I would want to do is change the locks and check for any other entrances he might have left open. Add in the need to fix all the DNS errors that were added to the issues.

sweetballs wrote:The RC site was so primitive, users could not even change their RC login password.

You couldn't? I could.

sweetballs wrote:You had no easy way to get help, no help forum, no site issues forum, few user controls, no BB messaging, poor search, lousy look and feel...I could go on and on.

"Site issues" was a sub-forum on VW, please read all forum listings before posting. BB messaging was removed because of multi-niccers spamming and getting the VW mail system listed as a spam site, if you had been around for a bit you would know that.

sweetballs wrote:It is sad and frustrating that a community of friends who came to this site are now scattered to the four winds.

I came to RC for the community, not because it's a highly functional cutting edge website. NOW that catastrophe has happened and your bottom line is taking a hit, you're promising a newer and greater website. That's pretty transparent. Let's see some action instead of finger pointing and legal threats.

Restore your backups and get your half-assed site back up and running for your paying customers, and then work on creating a 21st century website.

Again, I wold rather they not use corrupted backups and allow this to happen again because they missed a back door that was added 6 months ago. But that's just me.

sweetballs wrote:I'll be at ******** until you get it fixed, then I'll make MY decision on which site is going to get my renewal money.

BTW, the BB on the "illegal" VC site is light years ahead of the apparently now defunct RC BB.

Knock yourself out. Just remember that it is VC that took all your personal information, stole people's images to post as their own, and hacked & trashed VW so that this community would be put in this position. Kind of like letting someone stay at your house who burns it down so you go stay at their's while your's is rebuilt.

sweetballs wrote:The sad truth is that we users are probably screwed and will never find out the real story behind this mess. Sounds like the real story is a couple of rich fuckers getting into a pissing contest.

I thought it was pretty evident that this was a pissing match? Igor's letter made it pretty clear that's what this was in any case.

DarkLady n Jedi,
1. There was no "site issues" bb on Redclouds, nor any information that I could find that would tell you to go to the VW site issues BB. You are obviously someone very much in the know regarding the site. I think you may find that casual users had problems. The nooks and crannies of RC BB required a bit of work to discover and understand, and I'm somewhat more than a casual user.

2. I stand buy my statement re: "long neglected maintenance". Yes it is a good time to do it, but what enterprise would allow their website to go offline for 3 days? Unless it's not as big an enterprise as I think it is.

3. DNS errors are not that big a deal to fix.

4. Where could you change your RC login password? I couldn't find it, and I assure you I'm not clueless in these matters - which illustrates the problem. The site needs to be usable by regular users, not just IT types or RC/VW insiders.

5. I have been 'around' since 1997. The fact that multi-nic'ers and spamming were allowed again illustrates my point. Besides, in a good BB system the user can disable messaging, block others, or restrict messaging to friends.

6. So let them restore the backups, find the backdoors and holes, and keep the software patched.

7. That was my choice. VC used my username and a hashed password to a now defunct website. Big deal. At least I could reconnect with a few RC friends and try to carry on with having fun. The whole situation is admittedly disappointing.

Your reply indicates to me that you are a principal in this matter, or are well-informed. My statements here have been echoed loudly here and elsewhere, so I think they contain some quite valid criticisms. The controversy is obviously splitting the former RC community into two camps. I just want to get back to where we were - or with a better site. I fear that is not going to happen, but in the interest of providing some criticisms that may be helpful - I'm actually trying to help. VW admin does need to be taken to task for some of these issues!! If there weren't problems, this may not have happened!

So I've seen a few posts that reflect my situation, whereby, some of the stolen contris have been posted or sold to other sites. Will the new VW stand by the orignal claims of assisting in getting these once exclusive to VW contras and pics off of other sites. Or is the focus going to be mainly on frying Igor's ass (rightfully so . . . just saying) and then the rest is not your problem especially with former members like myself? In short, will the retooled VW still have a legal department that deals with the old stolen contris?

FaunHearst wrote:Can the owner(s) and management of The Free Voyeur WEB state unequivocably that subscriber credit card numbers, other payment information, and well a member/subscriber login and password information is completely and 100% secure and in their control and has not be compromised by the actions of Igor?

Please see my response in the Announcement Section under the Title Re: Stolen Data

redcloudslover wrote:You know all that sounds convincing BUT ?

1/Why is the OWNER not talking on here ?
2/Why does the story keep changing ?

I think this site has been bullshitting all of us for a while. It spends too much time making out how big and strong and popular it is and its really not.

There is about 300 active people really interested in this board and all the loyalties , but in reality hundreds of thousands of people are only interested in their 30 buck of hard earned money, and there entertainment.

I suspect and make a prediction !!!

1/ Voyeurweb has gone broke and set up this con and the other site to give them enough time to avoid credit card chargeback's.
2/ The other site will disappear also, with some story about lawsuits.

Its over folks, tell the truth for once. You have not told the truth for 15 years why would you start now.

Pissed of and sick of the lies. Get over yourselves

I do not know where you get these ideas from that VW has gone broke. I also do not know how you know about "charge backs" since this is something that generally people in the business would know. But who ever you are, and however you got your information, it is wrong.

And since when do you get to speak to the owner of LinkedIn or Facebook or Apple if you have issues with the company. It is always the PR Dept that speaks on behalf of the owners-- it is no different for VW. You can address everything through me and I will bring it to the owner's attention promptly.

And by the way, what is the change in the story? The story has not changed.

Stevenm wrote:by FaunHearst » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:31 am

Can the owner(s) and management of The Free Voyeur WEB state unequivocably that subscriber credit card numbers, other payment information, and well a member/subscriber login and password information is completely and 100% secure and in their control and has not be compromised by the actions of Igor?


The question asked by FaunHearst needs an answer. Can Free Voyeur WEB state that subscriber credit card and other payment related information, as well as member information is safe. I mean 100% safe and not compromised in any fashion.

Please see my response in the Announcement Section under Title Re: Stolen Data

Blacksheep wrote:We (Mrs. Blacksheep and I) are just looking for some assurance our privacy is in tact and thing's here get back to normal, already miss redcloud and the old format. Until we find out our privacy has been compromised we will remain loyal to RC and the VW community... but hurry up. LOL

Blacksheep

We miss you too. We will back very shortly. Your privacy has not been violated by VW. Please refer to the Announcement section for the Announcements I posted this morning.

JustMe wrote:But you have totally NOT answered the main concerns of my original post.

The fact that you chose to disregard my questions of whether the users credit card information was encrypted and/or has been compromised... speaks volumes to me, as it should to everyone who was a paying member here.

Fortunately for me, the credit card that was used here, has since been replaced by another.

VWPublicRelations wrote:No finger pointing, only facts..... Just me
It was some puny intern who almost brought the Presidency of Bill Clinton. While this puny contracted employee was no where near within the ranks to bring VW down, any puny contracted employee has just enough access to do something like this if they have evil intentions.

Igor, the stage name for *****, was plastered all over the site because he was the designated person who was the webmaster for the various sites under VW.

We will have another Igor but will make sure that he is more honest and decent than the old one.

And finally, VW could not be more frank and honest in its communications. Facts are exactly as they are in our Official Statement.

Credit Card Numbers cannot be Stolen. The only stolen data is the username and password which was originally the property of VW to begin with. What was stolen is access to you guys, in a way where now ***** can send you emails to solicit you to come to his proclaimed site. This is theft of our Voyeurwebbers, but not theft of their privacy with respect to usernames and passwords

TnShe wrote:I know that some contri that I submitted here are now posted on "igor's " new site.I was wondering what is my next move?

Please write an email to the website administrator and ask them to immediately take down your contributions. Please copy me on the email. officialvoyeurweb@gmail.com

Jet wrote:I was once a devoted member of VW. My VW name was “Jet” and I contributed many, many, many pictures and videos in every section over a few years. I stopped when I realized Igor’s arrogant disregard for anyone but himself and have paid dearly for it since. I started contributing to VW, exclusively, just after I turned 18 and have never posted anything anywhere else. What I understood about the site was that my contributions where protected from use/publication by other sites and under my control with help from the VW staff and Legal department. I’ve always enjoyed having pictures of my naked body even before I was of legal age. Unfortunately, I believed that some of these photos may have got into a few of my submissions and tried to notify/discuss it with Igor via private e-mail and attempt to have them removed. Igor was clearly uninterested in assisting me in their removal from the archives and became demeaning and abusive in our e-mail contacts calling me names, often referring to me as a “stupid girl.” I also was under the impression that Igor owned VW so I didn’t know he had anyone above him whom I could speak to. I then turned to the public forums to incite Igor into action and to let others know how little control we (contributors) truly had over our submissions. Igor became furious with me and further abusive in our private e-mail discussions. He also blocked me from any further access to the forums. So I insisted that all my contributions be removed from VW as my trust was broken and no longer wanted any association with VW. It took months for my submissions to be removed from the archives as Igor was claiming there where “technical” difficulties. After all my submissions were finally removed I received a final e-mail response from Igor which was clearly furious, abusive and now threatening. The most disturbing thing he said in the e-mail was that there were a lot of people who had copies of my submissions and because of my actions; in addition to the fact I was no longer a contributing member of VW, I would receive no help from the legal department or anyone. Little did I know how real his threat was. Even though; as I said, I have never posted anywhere but VW, many of my submissions, especially my movie clips, started showing up on random sites almost immediately after that (3 years ago) and I have access to no help having them removed. The submissions have been appearing even more so over the past year and are now everywhere. Because of Igor? I’m pretty sure that vengeful little prick is at the bottom of it. I’m sure the New VW wants to be and will try be better, stronger and more supportive of their contributors and members. However, it has been my observation that if any company has a “trusted member” of their team such as Igor with too much power and little accountability anyone who is associated with that company such as clients, contributors and team members will get burned. Hopefully the New VW will succeed in righting the wrongs that Igor has committed and learn from their mistakes. I wish them “Good Luck” and hope they wish me the same.

This is a very sad story and I have relayed this to the owner. On behalf of the owner, please accept my most sincere apologies. The owner would like to set up a conference call with you personally to discuss this matter. Please send me an email at officialvoyeurweb@gmail.com. One thing, I can tell you is that when VW returns, we will never have someone like ***** again. One big lesson we learned from all of this is that we will never permit one webmaster to be solely responsible to speak with our Voyeurwebbers. We will have multiple individuals reviewing and checking emails sent out on behalf of VW such that one person cannot abuse their position the way ***** did. Unfortunately, ***** was placed in a position such that he was able to secretly email Members and Contributors without VW management being notified.

Thank you for sharing this with us.

rugrollers wrote:The original message states that admin has been communicating via email from officialvoyeurweb@gmail.com. We wrote to that address, but have not heard anything from them directly. Have others?

Rug Rollers

I have over 17,000 emails at that officialvoyeurweb.com. I am sorry that I have not gotten to yours yet but I can reassure you that I will.

Jackncarol wrote:Machx4, not trying to be a spokesperson for VW, but they have stated numerous times that the CC info and other billing was not maintained by them but by an outside billing company. I know that for our website Sensual Sanctuary the same is true, CCBill handles all our billing and even as site owner I never have access to any of the CC numbers, just names, dates of membership (including expiration dates of membership) and locations. Now if a site has a merchant account and handles their own billing then yes, they would have that data, but not if they're using an outside billing company. So in other words, if they didn't have that info then Igor would not have that info so all CC info should be safe.

Exactly. Thank you for the explanation. I did not see this before I posted my Announcement this morning

Jet wrote:So I've seen a few posts that reflect my situation, whereby, some of the stolen contris have been posted or sold to other sites. Will the new VW stand by the orignal claims of assisting in getting these once exclusive to VW contras and pics off of other sites. Or is the focus going to be mainly on frying Igor's ass (rightfully so . . . just saying) and then the rest is not your problem especially with former members like myself? In short, will the retooled VW still have a legal department that deals with the old stolen contris?

Jet,

Any pics or content that is posted to the net is subjected to being lifted. I feel for you but its the risks you should have known about

For such a "puny employee" that you portray as insignificant, he is appaarently able to take down your site to the point where you're not conducting business and won't be for a few days??? Either he was significant in your organization or your team was grossly unprepared to handle situations without him!!

Jet wrote:So I've seen a few posts that reflect my situation, whereby, some of the stolen contris have been posted or sold to other sites. Will the new VW stand by the orignal claims of assisting in getting these once exclusive to VW contras and pics off of other sites. Or is the focus going to be mainly on frying Igor's ass (rightfully so . . . just saying) and then the rest is not your problem especially with former members like myself? In short, will the retooled VW still have a legal department that deals with the old stolen contris?

I have no axe to grind here as I'm not a paid member nor have I ever posted any sort of contri to VW. Having said that, it amazes me how many people are unaware that *anything* you post to VW (words, pics, movies, etc) or anywhere else on the 'Net for that matter are your "intellectual property" and it's your duty to protect it as best you can. Nobody else's. Not even VWs. It is not now, and has never been, VW's job to protect you property. If they offered to assist in that manner, they did so out of kindness, not because they are in any way required to by law. Ultimately it is your , albeit impossible, job to track-down your pics/movies and have them removed from other websites. About all VW could do to prevent theft (by anyone, not just Igor) was place their 'brand' on your submissions, which they did. Uploading to VW only meant you gave VW your permission to post them. They have no control over what unscrupulous types may do with them after that. The lesson to be learned here is that once you post it (no matter what 'it' is) to the Internet you have no way of knowing where else it might show up in the future. Which is why many people crop or otherwise obscure faces.

I appreciate the updates. Can you do me a favor, though? Please ditch the red text on this forum. It's annoying and very difficult to read.
Thanks

Suntann wrote:

Jet wrote:So I've seen a few posts that reflect my situation, whereby, some of the stolen contris have been posted or sold to other sites. Will the new VW stand by the orignal claims of assisting in getting these once exclusive to VW contras and pics off of other sites. Or is the focus going to be mainly on frying Igor's ass (rightfully so . . . just saying) and then the rest is not your problem especially with former members like myself? In short, will the retooled VW still have a legal department that deals with the old stolen contris?

Jet,

Any pics or content that is posted to the net is subjected to being lifted. I feel for you but its the risks you should have known about

I have to agree on that one. Are you seriously that clueless to think naked pictures of yourself posted on the world wide web would be that secure??? If you are, I have some old dot.com stock from the 1990's that I think you would be interested in buying!!

rezzi wrote:

Suntann wrote:

Jet wrote:So I've seen a few posts that reflect my situation, whereby, some of the stolen contris have been posted or sold to other sites. Will the new VW stand by the orignal claims of assisting in getting these once exclusive to VW contras and pics off of other sites. Or is the focus going to be mainly on frying Igor's ass (rightfully so . . . just saying) and then the rest is not your problem especially with former members like myself? In short, will the retooled VW still have a legal department that deals with the old stolen contris?

Jet,

Any pics or content that is posted to the net is subjected to being lifted. I feel for you but its the risks you should have known about

I have to agree on that one. Are you seriously that clueless to think naked pictures of yourself posted on the world wide web would be that secure??? If you are, I have some old dot.com stock from the 1990's that I think you would be interested in buying!!

While what you wrote is true, you could have phrased it more gently. The bottom line is, If I can see it on my screen, it's "mine" if I want it. NO site can offer you complete security. Not even pay-sites. I'm not into HC stuff so I never joined RC, but I have every picture of 'Sinsation'' ever posted in the 'free sections' of VW on my D:-drive because I think she's sexy as all get-out and is built exactly like my wife. But I'd NEVER dream of trying to sell or repost 'Sinsation's' images to another site because I'm not an asshole. What happened here (I believe) runs much deeper than a matter of "creative differences" as Igor would have you believe if you've been to VC. If that were the case, VC wouldn't be pretty-much a clone of what VW was. I digress. The bottom line is, if it matters to you one way or another if the entire world can see what you've posted .... Don't post it.

Ah, the nastiness continues.
Putting a pix of an asshole is not helping anyone.
The use of the term "puny", repeatedly, is a shame, since it lowers the impact of the statements the apparent operators of the websites are issuing.

VWPublicRelations wrote:

rugrollers wrote:The original message states that admin has been communicating via email from officialvoyeurweb@gmail.com. We wrote to that address, but have not heard anything from them directly. Have others?

I have over 17,000 emails at that officialvoyeurweb.com. I am sorry that I have not gotten to yours yet but I can reassure you that I will.

No need, and not what I meant. The statement made it sound like you were broadcasting to everyone on a list, so I was wondering if we weren't on the list (although having written in as instructed). That's all.

wh0pper wrote:I appreciate the updates. Can you do me a favor, though? Please ditch the red text on this forum. It's annoying and very difficult to read.
Thanks

+1 impossible to read the red.

overload69 wrote:After 2 days of reading this bullshit, all I can say is that my built-in crap detector has been setting off alarms and shooting off fireworks since the first sentence I read. To paraphrase Shakespeare (on a porn site, no less): Something is rotten in the state of Voyeurweb. I worked for a major electronics retailer as a catalog and web copywriter before the bottom dropped out of the salaries in that field. A disgruntled employee crashed the website and messed it up big-time. It took the company five hours to re-load a backup, de-bug the software and get the site back up. There just isn't that much "code" on a website to where it should take anywhere near this long. If you don't believe me, click on the source code listed as an option in most browsers. It's about as complicated as coding a phototypesetter used to be (I did that, too). The login gateway portal is the most complicated portion. And anyone who doesn't keep multiple backups of something people pay for is either stupid or malicious.

Unless an employee(s) destroyed critical files as well as the backups, I agree that it wouldn't take days to get some working version of the site up again. Lowly employees typically don't have the kind access to destroy such important material unless they are in cahoots with other employees. However, management would ensure a backup is created and kept at a 3rd party location so it cannot be tampered with.

After reading Igor's explanation of things, it's still up in the air as to what happened. His explanation of multiple parties operating the site together each party with its particular role (one for billing, another for administration, etc), and varying ownership priviledges to certain intellectual property or content is plausible, but I've never seen an organization operate that way. It seems too complicated (especially for a porn site) and destined to fail. Companies operate with varying divisions but the ownership and management is centralized. I have to wonder what the contractual obligations of each party are or were, and I'd love to see a copy of said agreements.

Who is Joseph e. ****? And what role does "social media inc" play in all of this?

Stacy69 wrote:

overload69 wrote:After 2 days of reading this bullshit, all I can say is that my built-in crap detector has been setting off alarms and shooting off fireworks since the first sentence I read. To paraphrase Shakespeare (on a porn site, no less): Something is rotten in the state of Voyeurweb. I worked for a major electronics retailer as a catalog and web copywriter before the bottom dropped out of the salaries in that field. A disgruntled employee crashed the website and messed it up big-time. It took the company five hours to re-load a backup, de-bug the software and get the site back up. There just isn't that much "code" on a website to where it should take anywhere near this long. If you don't believe me, click on the source code listed as an option in most browsers. It's about as complicated as coding a phototypesetter used to be (I did that, too). The login gateway portal is the most complicated portion. And anyone who doesn't keep multiple backups of something people pay for is either stupid or malicious.

Unless an employee(s) destroyed critical files as well as the backups, I agree that it wouldn't take days to get some working version of the site up again. Lowly employees typically don't have the kind access to destroy such important material unless they are in cahoots with other employees. However, management would ensure a backup is created and kept at a 3rd party location so it cannot be tampered with.

If Igor handled most, if not all technical aspects of the website, then it shouldn't be a surprise that the owners (who probably aren't technical in nature) have little to no idea on how to get the website back online.

FYI - The "source code" that overload69 points out is just the front end HTML code. There's back end code that handles dynamic data, content submission, uploads, etc. It's not as easy as you make it out to be. That said though, I could probably grind out a VW website in about a week using off-the-shelf components and writing plugins/modules from scratch. If VW isn't up in similar time span, I don't expect it to ever come back.

i'm beginning to think ladyjedi and kathrine are the same person

mason6799 wrote:i'm beginning to think ladyjedi and kathrine are the same person

Where's the damn "like" button?

VWPublicRelations wrote:No finger pointing, only facts..... Just me
It was some puny intern who almost brought the Presidency of Bill Clinton. While this puny contracted employee was no where near within the ranks to bring VW down, any puny contracted employee has just enough access to do something like this if they have evil intentions.

Igor, the stage name for *****, was plastered all over the site because he was the designated person who was the webmaster for the various sites under VW.

We will have another Igor but will make sure that he is more honest and decent than the old one.

And finally, VW could not be more frank and honest in its communications. Facts are exactly as they are in our Official Statement.

Personally and in all honesty, I really do not care what is going on within voyeurweb. You took our money and i am not getting the service I already paid for. If i cannot pay my membership because i have an issue within my family or group voyeuweb will deny me access to this site. No matter how long i have been a member. No pay no play.

What you and Ibrahim are dealing with is and should be between the the two of you. Voyeurweb have been in business for 15 years if you have had the foresight and really care about us your so called legal team should have prepared for this before it should have happen. This is part of our membership fees that we paid for. Our payment includes not only accessing this site but also for your servers, salaries, bonuses, rent overhead expenses and in this kind of business legal expenses.

I am a small business owner and part of it is having employee guidelines which spells out what the employee can and cannot do, IT department which includes guidelines on who has access to your server site, who can edit and not edit or post and should have contingency plans in case the pictures or credit card info gets stolen, part of it is also legal aspect especially in this kind of business that you are accepting pictures and videos from your users...if you could think to watermark the pictures with voyeurweb on it why on earth didnt think of how do avoid the these pictures passwords other data stolen by an employee ?

This is because you dont give a rats ass about your users as long as you make money from us for the last 15 years...and now you give us this bs press release saying you value us members. You have already been in business for 15 years not 1 year.

And dont expect me to believe your excuses and neither do i from igor you know why ? both of you are fighting and nobody will tell the WHOLE truth....only half truth interlaced with lies and finger pointing...

And you compensate us with the EXACT amount of time only for how long the site is down for not our own fault ? You borrow money from the bank you get charge interest this is like you got our money multiply it by your number of users and your not paying us interest only the principal ? shame on voyeurweb.

Just out of interest as a paid up members, any news on time scale that the site will be back up some format or another?

mason6799 wrote:i'm beginning to think ladyjedi and kathrine are the same person

Bingo!
Katherine Lucas... Get it?...:lol:

marmar wrote:I could probably grind out a VW website in about a week using off-the-shelf components and writing plugins/modules from scratch. If VW isn't up in similar time span, I don't expect it to ever come back.

I agree. A team of technicians and programmers, especially ones familiar with the site, would be able to get the site back up in some working order in a weel equipped with the basics - upload form, comments, posting. There are also 3rd party scripts that could be modified and skinned with VW's design with all these features already integrated in the interim until VW's own custom scripts are brought back one at a time over the next few weeks.

mason6799 wrote:i'm beginning to think ladyjedi and kathrine are the same person

Hmmmm, LJ DOES work in the Tampa area ....

I think she would have told me though.



On the part about just plugging in backups, would you honestly trust those backups? Igor has probably been planning this since before the new year, VC was registered in January.

Igor claims that VW is a group of companies. Yet only one company is the registered owner of the domain, and over 20 other sites, and it's connection to JA is easy to follow in a few minutes of looking online. I have not found any concrete connections to Igor (AE), but I didn't spend a lot of time looking.

Igor also claims that JA changed the master passwords and wouldn't let anyone in. If JA wasn't the owner of the parent company than all the actual registrar would have to do is request the password be changed to something else and not let JA have the new password. It's really not that hard to do.

This may have been answered already. Although I have read through many posts, I don't have the time to comb through every one.
How do I find out whether any of my contris have shown up on Igor's illegal sites? What are these sites called? Do I have to become a member on these illegal sites to see if my contris have been used without my permission?
Moreover, is it not enough that VW posted on the website (where we would view the contris) that it was illegal to download and then post the contris on a site? I do want to make certain that Igor has not posted my contris, but it seems that VW's statement on Homeclips should be sufficient enough to force Igor to remove stolen property.
Lastly, I know all contributors are taking a risk when we post our contris. However, Homeclips felt more like a community; I've enjoyed posting there, and I felt a little more secure in posting my contris there because of the community feel. That may be silly of me.
I did/do NOT want my contris on other sites! Having them plastered on sites without my permission increases the risk of unwanted exposure, unexpected and undesired exposure that is unacceptable. I need to know how to ensure that my contris only are on VW, and I need to know what steps VW is taking in order to prevent contris and pics from being stolen in the future.
Thank you!

DarknLadyJedi wrote:

mason6799 wrote:i'm beginning to think ladyjedi and kathrine are the same person

Hmmmm, LJ DOES work in the Tampa area ....

I think she would have told me though.



On the part about just plugging in backups, would you honestly trust those backups? Igor has probably been planning this since before the new year, VC was registered in January.

Igor claims that VW is a group of companies. Yet only one company is the registered owner of the domain, and over 20 other sites, and it's connection to JA is easy to follow in a few minutes of looking online. I have not found any concrete connections to Igor (AE), but I didn't spend a lot of time looking.

Igor also claims that JA changed the master passwords and wouldn't let anyone in. If JA wasn't the owner of the parent company than all the actual registrar would have to do is request the password be changed to something else and not let JA have the new password. It's really not that hard to do.

kathrine, i think you forgot which account you were logged in to

All I can say is, Igor has a problem with his proper English language on his site. I find this annoying. What I enjoy about Voyeurweb is not only the content, but the fact you use proper English, not some attempt to translate from a Russian/European language.

Come back soon and thanks in advance for the efforts you are going through.

DarknLadyJedi wrote:

mason6799 wrote:i'm beginning to think ladyjedi and kathrine are the same person

Hmmmm, LJ DOES work in the Tampa area ....

I think she would have told me though.

On the part about just plugging in backups, would you honestly trust those backups? Igor has probably been planning this since before the new year, VC was registered in January.

Igor claims that VW is a group of companies. Yet only one company is the registered owner of the domain, and over 20 other sites, and it's connection to JA is easy to follow in a few minutes of looking online. I have not found any concrete connections to Igor (AE), but I didn't spend a lot of time looking.

Igor also claims that JA changed the master passwords and wouldn't let anyone in. If JA wasn't the owner of the parent company than all the actual registrar would have to do is request the password be changed to something else and not let JA have the new password. It's really not that hard to do.

He also claims (on the VC site) that there's no way in hell VW would be back up and running in 4-7 days. Looks like he's right. Here's the quote;

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"Their claim - "VW will be back in a few days" is (in my opinion) a very empty promise. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that VW etc cannot be cloned from nothing within a few days. So maybe they will be back with some very basic pic upload and display which means less than 1% of the former functionality."
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I have no money invested in this but if I did, the facts that the 'splash-page' has remained unchanged and Katherine has been MIA for a while now, would cause me some concern.

My mistake. Using the search function I see Katherine posted in the "party thread" about 12 hours ago still claiming that VW will come back better than ever. (no mention as to when) And I hope it does. But as the PR person for the site, I would think she'd be posting here in the "official statement" thread a bit more often. Certainly if she's in public relations, she's not coding. But just as certainly, she has access to those who are, and could relay what she knows (if anything) in this thread. And if she doesn't really know anything, that's fine too. But IMO she should post here at least once a day even if it's simply to write, "No new developments to report thus far." Failing that, maybe have a webmaster change the message on the splash page every day so you know somebody's still manning the ship? A simple text-change would only take about 5 minutes to write and upload. I dunno. I hope I'm wrong, but things aren't looking very promising for the return of VW anytime soon.

chancelot wrote:
He also claims (on the VC site) that there's no way in hell VW would be back up and running in 4-7 days. Looks like he's right. Here's the quote;

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"Their claim - "VW will be back in a few days" is (in my opinion) a very empty promise. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that VW etc cannot be cloned from nothing within a few days. So maybe they will be back with some very basic pic upload and display which means less than 1% of the former functionality."
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Igor also claims that when he left it was a perfectly intact system Friday night and that all damage was done on Saturday morning. If that was the case it could have been up within a few hours, and he should have expected that return. The fact that he knows it will take time just shows that he did not leave the site intact on his departure.

There seems little doubt to me about who are the bad guys here.
Igor, or whatever name he is using, and his pals could easily start a new site.... But they chose to damage Voyeurweb and RC as much as possible.
I do not blame voyeurweb management or owners at all, and it seems obvious that that when he left, Igor did as much damage as possible, including whatever programming tricks they knew would make it more difficult for the site(s) to get back in operation.
I have checked the ******** site, and clearly is an imitation.
With every day voyeurweb is not up I get angrier with Igor and ********, not voyeurweb and RC.
I will be patient, knowing that employees who become theives will prove to be dishonest to themselves, and to the membership.

This reminds me of a lottery web site belonging to one of the fifty states of the U.S.A. It was down for over two months when the most senior tech employee became disgruntled because he didn't get the pay raise he wanted. He went into the code and blocked every access point so only he could gain access. Fortunately for the state, that web site was intended to provide information only, such as winning numbers, etc. and it had nothing whatsoever to do with the data collection from all of the remote stations where retail transactions occurred.

Now I don't know, but I've been told that he began preparing for his sudden departure almost a year ahead by installing code that seemed benign at the time. It wasn't until it was used to restore the site that his little trojans became active. The lottery officials knew then that the site was going to be down for weeks but they became more concerned when they learned that he may have had access to the code that collected and timestamped the bets from the retail stations. That then became their first priority because they never wanted the public to learn that their system had been hacked.

being a web developer it will take longer then 7 days, but's that only because the little pecker who damaged the system made every effort to leave it that way. It's a lot to do with the load distribution because of the videos and images, massive infrastructure work. Backups could work if you have them, however little critter messed with a lot of other things (remember all the DNS issues a few weeks ago? ), even re-implementing the billing server (with current accounts) is going to be some work. Even with semi-stock PHPBB load sharing is a big task

No in the eyes of this web developer Igor is the lowest form of bacteria there is. Nothing wrong with getting pissed off and quitting.

stealing the content of your past employer's web sites, sabotaging, etc. is just the act of a little baby. Of course our employers don't know the work that goes into it, but if we don't like it, we leave. And not take anything with us. I don't know how it works in the porn industry (and I don't really consider this porn) but trust is a very big part of most decently paying jobs. Burning bridges, darn I think it would be worse in the entertainment industries. Could be downright unhealthy too if the employer.. well just not smart.

I've been there with difficult employers, never did, never would do such a creepy and underhanded thing. He did not just hurt his past employer, he hurt the community, tried to drive a stake through it and then invited everyone to come look at their pictures in 'his' site. Creep first class. But then that has been obvious how that rolled for some time.

Lovely community, wonderful contributors, I patiently await the rebirth. It may turn out to be the best thing that happened given some of the issues the sites had pre tantrum.

mastersam wrote:being a web developer it will take longer then 7 days, but's that only because the little pecker who damaged the system made every effort to leave it that way. It's a lot to do with the load distribution because of the videos and images, massive infrastructure work. Backups could work if you have them, however little critter messed with a lot of other things (remember all the DNS issues a few weeks ago? ), even re-implementing the billing server (with current accounts) is going to be some work. Even with semi-stock PHPBB load sharing is a big task

No in the eyes of this web developer Igor is the lowest form of bacteria there is. Nothing wrong with getting pissed off and quitting.

stealing the content of your past employer's web sites, sabotaging, etc. is just the act of a little baby. Of course our employers don't know the work that goes into it, but if we don't like it, we leave. And not take anything with us. I don't know how it works in the porn industry (and I don't really consider this porn) but trust is a very big part of most decently paying jobs. Burning bridges, darn I think it would be worse in the entertainment industries. Could be downright unhealthy too if the employer.. well just not smart.

I've been there with difficult employers, never did, never would do such a creepy and underhanded thing. He did not just hurt his past employer, he hurt the community, tried to drive a stake through it and then invited everyone to come look at their pictures in 'his' site. Creep first class. But then that has been obvious how that rolled for some time.

Lovely community, wonderful contributors, I patiently await the rebirth. It may turn out to be the best thing that happened given some of the issues the sites had pre tantrum.

It is a breath of fresh air to have someone with experience explain the intricacies involved in a massive system like VW. Thank you. And you are right- it will turn out to be the best thing that happened because what is coming back is OUT of THIS WORLD!

Roderyck777 wrote:This sounds like when a singer leaves a band. Who should the people follow. Sure you have the name, but to those of us that have been here since 97, Igor is/was Voyeurweb. You say it was one man with a dream that started this company; it sounds to me like that was Igor. Your guy sounds like the venture capitalist that supported it.

Igor was obviously more than a programmer, and obviously he didn't own the site. But shame on you for relying on one man to do so much. But him or you, this site has always seemed like it liked to run on autopilot. Since your business isn't generating content, but managing it, I think there should have been more managing going on.

I haven't been to Igor's site yet. (Is it a bad word to mouth the name of it?) But to cut back to the band analogy, I'm inclined to follow the one that is out putting out new material, rather than the one that just has a name.

PS. It shouldn't take a situation like this to make you want to make it better than ever. You should've already been doing that.

PPS. I know that you talk about extending memberships, but you should really address the need for offering refunds. My RC and HC ran out at the beginning of June and i hadn't renewed but i'd have been pissed if i had. I know there is no guarantee to the quantity of what you get in a year, but RC was already dropping, especially the BB; it's hard to say it's going to be just as good, much less even better, with the division of posters and the decreased feeling of security.

PPPS and if better than ever involves Models For Friends, someone in your committee deserves to be beaten with a wet towel.

I know that it is really hard to read all of the posts and be informed of the answers that VW management has been providing to various inquiries.

My points to you, which I have made on multiple other BB posts, are:

1. VW did not need to address the refund issue because VW is coming back- why would we expend the resources to issue refunds only for people to turn around and sign up again. But it has been unequivocally stated anyone who insists on having a refund, not just because the site is down for a mere week, but because they simply want a refund, VW will issue that refund. VW is certainly not in the business of keeping any dissatisfied c customer's $27.
2. What is wrong with "comeback better and stronger"- now-- it does not mean that this was already being done in the past as well-- the site survived for 15 years- that should tell you something its solidity
3. *****, AKA Igor, is not even a programmer for him to be more than a programmer. Where did you get this information from?
4. ***** was a webmaster-- big difference
5. What is coming back is going to take your breath away- so hopefully you will stick around!But if you want a refund, shoot me an email at officialvoyeurweb@gmail.com

mastersam wrote:pre tantrum.

I am stealing this and dubbing everything prior to Igor's departure pre-tantrum!

Roderyck777 wrote:This sounds like when a singer leaves a band. Who should the people follow. Sure you have the name, but to those of us that have been here since 97, Igor is/was Voyeurweb. You say it was one man with a dream that started this company; it sounds to me like that was Igor. Your guy sounds like the venture capitalist that supported it.

Igor was obviously more than a programmer, and obviously he didn't own the site. But shame on you for relying on one man to do so much. But him or you, this site has always seemed like it liked to run on autopilot. Since your business isn't generating content, but managing it, I think there should have been more managing going on.

I haven't been to Igor's site yet. (Is it a bad word to mouth the name of it?) But to cut back to the band analogy, I'm inclined to follow the one that is out putting out new material, rather than the one that just has a name.

PS. It shouldn't take a situation like this to make you want to make it better than ever. You should've already been doing that.

PPS. I know that you talk about extending memberships, but you should really address the need for offering refunds. My RC and HC ran out at the beginning of June and i hadn't renewed but i'd have been pissed if i had. I know there is no guarantee to the quantity of what you get in a year, but RC was already dropping, especially the BB; it's hard to say it's going to be just as good, much less even better, with the division of posters and the decreased feeling of security.

PPPS and if better than ever involves Models For Friends, someone in your committee deserves to be beaten with a wet towel.

I don't understand this? I understand the singer leaving the band, but which singer, or better yet, lets look at a few bands where the singer burned down the recording studio, tried to burn all the copies of the songs, set up traffic cops to force traffic away from the studio?
And speaking of music, the contributors make the music, I don't believe the Igor some speak about in the beginning was the same in the end. What parent would murder their own child (children?). No, if he really was who he said he was he would point to Voyeur web as his baby, always. he would have no need to pull the crap he did because he could make the music (as you put it) anywhere.
It's easy to blame a business for being a business, of trusting one employee, perhaps being foolish to do so (as has been admitted over and over again) but many businesses run that way, usually as this one has, finding out its' mistakes when someone they trusted not only leaves, but hides the business and throws away the keys. I worked in a similar situation and I worked with an employer I would have happily throttled for a month after to make sure they could continue. It's what we do as web developers. Igor was a IT person (VP in the fillings), you can see it in the business fillings, and the one we are talking about seemed to show up a few years later in the corporation. It does not really matter anyway: the contributors make the site, most I doubt know who or which Igor, they seem to be more interested in our feedback as a community.
You know what really irritated me about billing? is when I had a problem signing up for funbags.com, and I tried contacting the webmaster with no response for weeks (never). Billing was faster and she (completely different business, not associated with VW) could not help but was very sweet, even with someone who she really did not have to give a rat's ass to. That was my intro to funbags.com and Igor's nonsense ( I also belong to RC and VW long before that). From one webmaster to another, Igor sucks, period. You can blame the business, but you know we employees need to take a little responsibility too. The business does pay us money, and not to sit on our asses and get all sentimental about if only we owned the business.

I've read a few postings (been reading all week, not working now, nor do I work for voyeurweb or igormania..or whatever they are going to change it to in all haste) and I'm baffled at the idea that someone who it is assumed (but not agreed with by the management) started the original site, sold it, or in some way transferred ownership, that it's OK that he destroy it. The current ownership (if it was sold, don't really know) owns it. Igor (it is assumed) sold his 'property' to the current owner, who owns it. He then proceeded to destroy it. I'm not basing that off of what I have read here, I'm basing that off what I read in the outside shell of the other 'new' site.

It's OK according to some to damage the employer's property? Even let's say Igor is a sweet smelling rose that never hurt a kitten? We can see the damage. Instant IT people are going on about how easy it is to restore, really? your pal Igor wrecked it, get over it.

DNS was re-directed to the new site, that's the smoking gun on who is responsible (the deciding factor to me over the week), The VP of IT would be the one (Igor). It takes some effort to do it, have it propagate and then do nothing about it (if he were 'Innocent'), probably screwed with them more with proxy servers. The real servers are hidden under layers with a proxy server controlling the domains.

DNS, dynamic name system, the phone book of the Internet. You see domain names are stored across the world on DNS servers which tell your browser where voyeurweb.com is.
Is it on server @IP 23.789.345 or is it @IP 202.45.893.45 (made up numbers)

So someone (Igor) changed it and re-directed the traffic to a new website of Igor. So Igor stole the customers and traffic (and according to his website, images and video). Hacked it, as it was an unauthorized act against the company that employed him, or did. Also continuing to hack by asking for RC etc. username and password to authenticate account (by using a bot to query the sites- I would block that traffic VW and saying how legal this is (it's not, it's called hacking using an automated bot to query another website, could even be considered a Denial of Service attack as it uses up resources of the website in an automated and unauthorized method. Not for creating a web index, but rather to interact with the database and sign in using stolen data). I can see why Igor fled to Panama. Makes a lot of sense. Easy to get further south to if it heats up there.

Now let's think about this for a moment.
1.He does not own anything (well maybe a new website, but that's a bit uncertain).
2.He is/was an employee for igormania, inc to be technical as to the business legal entity, not websites which are not businesses in the legal sense, revenue streams, his confusion as to what a business is with all the talk of multiple businesses, smoke)
3.He basically tried to burn the business down (all the buildings, or websites) he 'sold' (if he ever did own it, seems to be one line of reasoning on the forum) OR, according to him on his new website, he never owned igormania and websites (I hate using one website's name because it's larger then that.. don't like the legal name but it is what it is. probably will be changed )

This is OK? this is how we play? when we get mad we just go burn down someones business? what kind of person would do such a thing? pissed off or not.
Again, it's not the images, or who owns what (sea lawyer), Lets skip the servers damage because we have to rely on management saying that (I believe it), let's look at the actual 'road' in superhighway terms, the DNS being moved to the new Igor site.

Talk about a big FU to your previous company, and also leaves no question exactly who did it. It's like fingerprints all over a murder scene. Because that's what Igor just attempted to do, murder the company and then have everyone come over to his house to party. Gloating about the damage even, there is a sick mind at work. Be very careful going to that house, or in it. Who knows what surprises are waiting for you.
Now as a paying customer for RC and FB, although you can belong to voyeurweb for free (now that's a deal ) I don't think this is some crazy ploy to get something over on me. If it is, it's the most elaborate scheme for very little money :roll: those people are all over in Wall Street, really pulling the wool over our eyes :lol:

When is Redclouds going to be back on line? Thank you.

I used to download some pics to my computer. I did nothing with them except save them. I now can't do this. Is it my computer or is it new policy?