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By Grog
#10135
Now, Leroy. I'm just as entitled to my interpretation as you are to yours. Same with Bill Clinton and the meaning of "is," right?

By your libertarian beliefs, the individual and not the government, decides what is right and wrong and is therefore entitled to act on their beliefs and not some rigid set of rules or narrow interpretation that doesn't allow for the unique set of circumstances that can and do happen in each and every situation.

Each and every situation is different and as such we must allow the individual present at the situation, not the government, the right to interpret the correct behavior and response and act accordingly.

Zimmermann and you believe the 911 operator not only didn't tell him to break off pursuit, the 911 operator, speaking in code (as you have explained) actually told Zimmermann to continue the pursuit and as such, also confront the suspect.

It's a tricky, complicated world, Leroy. Ergo, individuals, especially rugged ones such as yourself and Zimmermann, should have no restraints as you exercise your ability and right to interpret each situation and act according to your beliefs.

God bless America.
By Grog
#10136
Now, Leroy. I'm just as entitled to my interpretation as you are to yours. Same with Bill Clinton and the meaning of "is," right?

By your libertarian beliefs, the individual and not the government, decides what is right and wrong and is therefore entitled to act on their beliefs and not some rigid set of rules or narrow interpretation that doesn't allow for the unique set of circumstances that can and do happen in each and every situation.

Each and every situation is different and as such we must allow the individual present at the situation, not the government, the right to interpret the correct behavior and response and act accordingly.

Zimmermann and you believe the 911 operator not only didn't tell him to break off pursuit, the 911 operator, speaking in code (as you have explained) actually told Zimmermann to continue the pursuit and as such, also confront the suspect.

It's a tricky, complicated world, Leroy. Ergo, individuals, especially rugged ones such as yourself and Zimmermann, should have no restraints as you exercise your ability and right to interpret each situation and act according to your beliefs.

God bless America.
#10154
liar leroy continues to falsely parse language as always and only believes his own delusional inflexible interpretative that is completely self advantaged to the specific occasion. Sorry, liar leroy actual real usage always trumps strict grammatical definition.
By Leroy
#10169
Grog wrote:Zimmermann and you believe the 911 operator not only didn't tell him to break off pursuit, the 911 operator, speaking in code (as you have explained) actually told Zimmermann to continue the pursuit and as such, also confront the suspect.
There you go again, saying I wrote/suggested something that I didn't say/suggest.

It's clear, to any reasonable person, that the 911 call center, local, state, national level authorities are not going to tell ANY generic citizen to FOLLOW THE SUSPICIOUS PERSON, that they don't do that because of LIABILITY. What is clear, and we see it time and time again, is that they tell you that they don't need you to do something, leaving it up to the individual to determine the amount of risk they are willing to accept to protect others.

I know that protecting others, with YOUR LIFE, is a foreign concept to liberals, liberals will sacrifice OTHERS lives to protect themselves, but not their own.

The fact is, the operator DID NOT TELL ZIMMERMAN TO STOP FOLLOWING the suspicious person, and no matter how you want it to be untrue, you can't prove otherwise.
By elklindo69
#10256
Regardless of the interpretation of the 911 dispatcher. Zimmerman was not in compliance with the stand your ground law. You can't go and instigate a confrontation, shoot a guy, and claim self defense. It just doesn't work that way.
By Leroy
#10270
elklindo69 wrote:Regardless of the interpretation of the 911 dispatcher. Zimmerman was not in compliance with the stand your ground law. You can't go and instigate a confrontation, shoot a guy, and claim self defense. It just doesn't work that way.
Elk, I have never once said that "Stand your ground" was justified in this case, and I've made that point clear when the old board as still around.

The fact is, it's perfectly legal to follow a suspicious person, it's not stalking, and even more legal when you're calling the police about the suspicious person as you're following them.

You don't know who instigated the "Confrontation", you're siding with the hate groups, the zealots, in claiming that it was "GZ" that instigated the confrontation, but, and you're ignore this - anyone following a suspicious person that is reporting that person to the police is NOT instigating anything, they are exercising the freedom to report a suspicious person. The "Confrontation" was started by TM, when he confronted GZ violently.

So, since we both agree that SYG wasn't in play, we can also agree that an innocent person following a suspicious person, who they have reported to the police, is legal in doing so, and that when the suspicious person VIOLENTLY attacked the follower, that the follower was legally justified to use deadly force to protect their life in SELF-DEFENSE.

Following a suspicious person does not negate SELF-DEFENSE, as the suspicious person has NO RIGHT to violently attack the follower.
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