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By elklindo69
#65154
Don’t Apologize — Watch The Full Post-9/11 Video Trump Doesn’t Want You To See
The GOP candidate shared a misleading video to "prove" his point. Don't believe him.


Donald Trump seems to have taken a page from Carly Fiorina’s playbook and shared a deceptively-edited video in order to “prove” something that is objectively untrue — that is, that “thousands and thousands” of people celebrated 9/11 in New Jersey.

On Tuesday (Dec. 1) morning, Trump tweeted an 11-second video clip from 2001 in which radio host Curtis Sliwa mentions “people celebrating, cheering when they had actually heard the World Trade Center had [been] struck, and, more importantly, continuing to cheer when they heard that the World Trade Center — both towers — had been imploded.”

Trump also included a request for apologies on behalf of those who’ve questioned him.

The problem? Sliwa isn’t describing something he personally witnessed. He’s talking about various people who called into his show to talk about what they allegedly saw.

On Tuesday afternoon Sliwa told MTV News that on the day in question about six calls came into his radio show over the course of half an hour from listeners in their cars, describing what appeared to be celebrations in Paterson, N.J.

“It was just a dozen teenagers,” Sliwa said. “Quickly the adults came out, they disciplined them, they took them back into their homes. There was no repetition, no continuation thereafter.”

As such, Sliwa added, “Donald Trump couldn’t be more hopelessly wrong. And then what he did to the video from MTV by editing it did a tremendous disservice. To try to give him cover, the lie just became worse.”

Sliwa also refuted Trump via Twitter earlier Tuesday, saying “callers said they saw 12 teens celebrating in Paterson” and that he has “been consistent all along in saying it was a small group.

As we previously wrote, rumors of celebrations in New Jersey on 9/11 are likely linked to accounts of a handful of kids making noise in the streets. Again, not “thousands and thousands” of people. Kids being loud.
Many, many outlets — MTV included — have investigated Trump’s claim, and found absolutely no hard evidence to support it. None. At this point Trump’s childish demands for apologies are either disingenuous or delusional — neither of which is acceptable from someone angling to become President of the United States.


http://www.mtv.com/news/2617114/donald- ... ew-jersey/
#65156
Trump remembers it the way he remembers it......he never said he saw it personally.....

Now the media has a way of steering us to see what they want us to see....when it serves a purpose...

At the time America was under attack...

So you have to ask yourself what is more likely to be true..thousands of Muslims celebrating or

the media making us believe they did... because of the overwhelming united anti-Muslim sentiment of the time....

And now America is not so united in that sentiment.... so the media is embarrassed at being asked

to recall how rabid anti-Muslim they allowed themselves to get....

Since 9/11 Obama has become President and with him the golden age of Islam in America.

Even that asshole Silwa is scared to be thought of as Islamophobic.

Elk ...I know you don't understand what I mean...
#65157
"Trump remembers it the way he remembers it.....he never said he saw it personally....."-sillydaddy

Wrong.

Watch the video in the link above, silly.
At time stamp 3:42 Trump says "And I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey where THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering."

Hearing it from the horse's mouth ought to convince you unless you're a complete tool. Right?

Then watch the rest of the video to understand what actually went on there.
#65158
Look at the wimpy way the opening post in this ends -- with "likely" and "linked."

Clearly, this person -- and Elkin -- don't believe Trump.

But they have no evidence at all that what Trump said isn't true.

What is more likely is that some nuts did indeed cheer after 9/11, as Trump said.
#65160
"But they have no evidence at all that what Trump said isn't true."-johnforbes

No, johnny, TRUMP has no evidence that what he says IS true.

If he had actually seen it on TV there would be copies at some TV station.
There isn't.
And your own "wimpy way" of saying "some nuts," even if true, are not "thousands and thousands" now are they, johnny?

The police reportedly getting called to some disturbance resulted in no police report of thousands cheering.
Pretty amazing that no police saw this supposed event when they were called to investigate, isn't it?

Trump makes the claim and it is up to him to prove it. Everybody who actually knows anything about it (like the mayor of the town and the journalist who wrote the article Trump cited) disagrees with him. But all he could come up with is a badly edited recording that doesn't actually back up what he claims.

You gullible clowns will always believe the stupidest made up shit.
By Intrepid
#65166
You gullible clowns will always believe the stupidest made up shit.
-Comrade Homo Racist AssClown Loser Lucky, King of the Duped and Deluded Useful Idiots.

Hmmm...where to start?

"57 States"
"If you like your plan, you can keep your plan"
"No one will see their premiums increase by one dime"
'With Obamacare we will reduce your insurance premiums by $2,500, per family per year'
"A video caused the attack on the embassy in Benghazi"
"I dodged sniper fire"
"I was named after Sir Edmund Hillary"
"I did not send or receive classified material on my personal device"

This could go on all day, but I have things to do.
#65169
I see that what Pinky Boy Crank Skank Loser Insipid is trying to say is he's got nothing to support Trumps idiotic intransigence either, so he tries to distract and divert with anything he can dig up that is unrelated to the topic of Trump.

Let's take a look at his typical impotent and hypocritical diversion:
"Once again we see that His Lordship cannot address the topic being discussed.
Typical, but that's what we've come to expect from our resident demigod." -Dumbfuck- Nov. 30, 2015

Yes, Crank Skank Loser Insipid can't address the topic being discussed, but he feels entitled to criticize others for it.

What he should be telling us is how frightening it is to think that a guy running for President is incapable of admitting he is misremembering something and can't admit he made a mistake. Instead he doubles- and triples-down with stupid shit only a Republican could possibly believe.

But Insipid would have no problem voting for the guy anyway. :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
#65170
Elkin started the post, not Trump.

But Elkin has no evidence whatever.

Look at the wimpy way the opening post in this ends -- with "likely" and "linked."

Clearly, this person -- and Elkin -- don't believe Trump.

But they have no evidence at all that what Trump said isn't true.

What is more likely is that some nuts did indeed cheer after 9/11, as Trump said.
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By tvd
#65173
So, what I heard him say was, HE was in Jersey City, and saw thousands of ppl cheering the downing of the towers.
Just exactly like I saw, but I was in Charlotte.
And Clown was in never never land, but saw thousands cheering also.

He never says he saw those thousands cheering IN NEWJERSEY.

It can easily be interpreted as Trump was in Jersey City, saw the footage of thousands of Muzzies cheering, and that was what he is referring to.

By the way, how come those videos of Muzzies cheeriing has not been seen again? I found them, but they seem to be squelched down. Go figure.
#65178
tvd, if Trump wasn't claiming he saw those thousands cheering in Jersey City, then why is he working so hard to find cases of claims of cheering in Jersey City? He's used the Washington Post article about police being called to investigate in Jersey City and the Sliwa show recording about celebrations in Jersey City.

Are you really going to go with "Trump never claimed he saw celebrations in Jersey City"?
And Pinky Boy Crank Skank Loser Hypocrite Insipid doesn't call you out for playing word games?

You dumbfucks will twist yourselves into pretzels to continue to believe the most idiotic nonsense. :lol:
#65187
Trump has a Washington Post article that doesn't support him, an editorial from the New York Post that doesn't support him, hundreds of fictional eyewitnesses and now both the Mayor and the Police Chief all deny his story.

There, johnny, I fixed it for you.

Wake up, dimwit.
By Intrepid
#65197
Worth repeating to grind the nose of AssClown Loser Lucky into his hypocrisy:


You gullible clowns will always believe the stupidest made up shit.
-Comrade Homo Racist AssClown Loser Lucky, King of the Duped and Deluded Useful Idiots.
Hmmm...where to start?

"57 States"
"If you like your plan, you can keep your plan"
"No one will see their premiums increase by one dime"
'With Obamacare we will reduce your insurance premiums by $2,500, per family per year'
"All my grandparents on both sides were immigrants"
"I tried to join the Marine Corps (Or, to Obozo, the Corpse)"
"A video caused the attack on the embassy in Benghazi"
"I dodged sniper fire"
"I was named after Sir Edmund Hillary"
"I did not send or receive classified material on my personal device"

This could go on all day, but I have things to do.
#65202
Rudy, the former mayor, and Kerik the police commissioner have now both said Trump was correct.

Was it some enormous celebration in public? Probably not, and the "thousands" figure sounds wrong if we're talking about a group in one site.

But "thousands" would almost indisputably be correct when talking about all the Muslims in America.

Trump was correct, and Rudy and Kerik have now confirmed that.
#65204
"Was it some enormous celebration in public? Probably not, and the "thousands" figure sounds wrong if we're talking about a group in one site."-johnforbes

First johnny says Trump is correct.
Then he admits there actually weren't thousands and thousands of celebrants in Jersey City, that Trump couldn't have seen it because it didn't happen.
That's the kind of pretzel logic reactionary clowns will resort to in order to convince themselves a lie is the truth.
First johnny admits it's a lie but the fact it didn't happen makes Trump's lie correct.
They just don't come any dumber and more dishonest than that. :lol:
#65205
And Pinky Boy Crank Skank Loser Insipid is reduced to mindless copy-and-paste lies a la johnforbes. :lol:

When you've got nothing but diversions, all you have is mindless repetition in the vein of Goebbels.
#65214
I said "probably" because the only times I've been in Jersey City related to catching ships.

I was not in NJ after 9/11.

Trump said what he said, and hundreds of people have backed up his account, and so did the mayor NY and its police commissioner.

Those who doubt are on the Left, and they have nothing but their partisan hatred to back that up.
#65222
He claims that there were thousands celebrating!!!

Was it a direct personal observation? Or did he see it through media sources.

We have still yet to have any media sourced video that corroborates Trump's stories. I'm still waiting for any evidence to corroborate his claim....
#65223
He was on TV the other day and said he saw reports on that on TV.

If there's any statement that Trump himself claimed to be eyewitness to Muslim celebrations, I haven't heard of that.

Obama said you can keep your doctor, keep your plan, Obamacare would save $2500 for a typical family of four, Obamacare would be deficit-neutral, Obamacare would be developed openly on C-Span...and it was all a pack of lies.

How can anybody claim Trump was telling a lie when Rudy and Kerik support what he said?
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