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By elklindo69
#28431
Conservatives claim that all terrorists are Muslim, but most violent attacks in the US are carried out by white men...

1. Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, Aug. 5, 2012.

The virulent, neocon-fueled Islamophobia that has plagued post-9/11 America has not only posed a threat to Muslims, it has had deadly consequences for people of other faiths, including Sikhs. Sikhs are not Muslims; the traditional Sikh attire, including their turbans, is different from traditional Sunni, Shiite or Sufi attire. But to a racist, a bearded Sikh looks like a Muslim. Only four days after 9/11, Balbir Singh Sodhi, a Sikh immigrant from India who owned a gas station in Mesa, Arizona, was murdered by Frank Silva Roque, a racist who obviously mistook him for a Muslim.

2. The murder of Dr. George Tiller, May 31, 2009.

Imagine that a physician had been the victim of an attempted assassination by an Islamic jihadist in 1993, and received numerous death threats from al-Qaeda after that, before being murdered by an al-Qaeda member. Neocons, Fox News and the Christian Right would have had a field day. A physician was the victim of a terrorist killing that day, but neither the terrorist nor the people who inflamed the terrorist were Muslims. Dr. George Tiller, who was shot and killed by anti-abortion terrorist Scott Roeder on May 31, 2009, was a victim of Christian Right terrorism, not al-Qaeda.

3. Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church shooting, July 27, 2008.

On July 27, 2008, Christian Right sympathizer Jim David Adkisson walked into the Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee during a children’s play and began shooting people at random. Two were killed, while seven others were injured but survived. Adkisson said he was motivated by a hatred of liberals, Democrats and gays,

4. The murder of Dr. John Britton, July 29, 1994.

To hear the Christian Right tell it, there is no such thing as Christian terrorism. Tell that to the victims of the Army of God, a loose network of radical Christianists with a long history of terrorist attacks on abortion providers. One Christian Right terrorist with ties to the Army of God was Paul Jennings Hill, who was executed by lethal injection on Sept. 3, 2003 for the murders of abortion doctor John Britton and his bodyguard James Barrett. Hill shot both of them in cold blood and expressed no remorse whatsoever; he insisted he was doing’s God’s work and has been exalted as a martyr by the Army of God.

5. The Centennial Olympic Park bombing, July 27, 1996.

Paul Jennings Hill is hardly the only Christian terrorist who has been praised by the Army of God; that organization has also praised Eric Rudolph, who is serving life without parole for a long list of terrorist attacks committed in the name of Christianity. Rudolph is best known for carrying out the Olympic Park bombing in Atlanta during the 1996 Summer Olympics—a blast that killed spectator Alice Hawthorne and wounded 111 others. Hawthorne wasn’t the only person Rudolph murdered: his bombing of an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama in 1998 caused the death of Robert Sanderson (a Birmingham police officer and part-time security guard) and caused nurse Emily Lyons to lose an eye.

Rudolph’s other acts of Christian terrorism include bombing the Otherwise Lounge (a lesbian bar in Atlanta) in 1997 and an abortion clinic in an Atlanta suburb in 1997. Rudolph was no lone wolf: he was part of a terrorist movement that encouraged his violence. And the Army of God continues to exalt Rudolph as a brave Christian who is doing God’s work.

6. The murder of Barnett Slepian byJames Charles Kopp, Oct. 23, 1998.

Like Paul Jennings Hill, Eric Rudolph and Scott Roeder, James Charles Kopp is a radical Christian terrorist who has been exalted as a hero by the Army of God. On Oct. 23, 1998 Kopp fired a single shot into the Amherst, NY home of Barnett Slepian (a doctor who performed abortions), mortally wounding him. Slepian died an hour later. Kopp later claimed he only meant to wound Slepian, not kill him. But Judge Michael D’Amico of Erin County, NY said that the killing was clearly premeditated and sentenced Kopp to 25 years to life. Kopp is a suspect in other anti-abortion terrorist attacks, including the non-fatal shootings of three doctors in Canada, though it appears unlikely that Kopp will be extradited to Canada to face any charges.

7. Planned Parenthood bombing, Brookline, Massachusetts, 1994.

Seldom has the term “Christian terrorist” been used in connection with John C. Salvi on AM talk radio or at Fox News, but it’s a term that easily applies to him. In 1994, the radical anti-abortionist and Army of God member attacked a Planned Parenthood clinic in Brookline, Massachusetts, shooting and killing receptionists Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols and wounding several others. Salvi was found dead in his prison cell in 1996, and his death was ruled a suicide. The Army of God has exalted Salvi as a Christian martyr and described Lowney and Nichols not as victims of domestic terrorism, but as infidels who got what they deserved. The Rev. Donald Spitz, a Christianist and Army of God supporter who is so extreme that even the radical anti-abortion group Operation Rescue disassociated itself from him, has praised Salvi as well.

8. Suicide attack on IRS building in Austin, Texas, Feb. 18, 2010.

When Joseph Stack flew a plane into the Echelon office complex (where an IRS office was located), Fox News’ coverage of the incident was calm and matter-of-fact. Republican Rep. Steve King of Iowa seemed to find the attack amusing and joked that it could have been avoided if the federal government had followed his advice and abolished the IRS. Nonetheless, there were two fatalities: Stack and IRS employee Vernon Hunter. Stack left behind a rambling suicide note outlining his reasons for the attack, which included a disdain for the IRS as well as total disgust with health insurance companies and bank bailouts. Some of the most insightful coverage of the incident came from Noam Chomsky, who said that while Stack had some legitimate grievances—millions of Americans shared his outrage over bank bailouts and the practices of health insurance companies—the way he expressed them was absolutely wrong.

9. The murder of Alan Berg, June 18, 1984.

One of the most absurd claims some Republicans have made about white supremacists is that they are liberals and progressives. That claim is especially ludicrous in light of the terrorist killing of liberal Denver-based talk show host Alan Berg, a critic of white supremacists who was killed with an automatic weapon on June 18, 1984. The killing was linked to members of the Order, a white supremacist group that had marked Berg for death. Order members David Lane (a former Ku Klux Klan member who had also been active in the Aryan Nations) and Bruce Pierce were both convicted in federal court on charges of racketeering, conspiracy and violating Berg’s civil rights and given what amounted to life sentences.

Robert Matthews, who founded the Order, got that name from a fictional group in white supremacist William Luther Pierce’s anti-Semitic 1978 novel, The Turner Diaries—a book Timothy McVeigh was quite fond of. The novel’s fictional account of the destruction of a government building has been described as the inspiration for the Oklahoma City bombing of 1995.

10. Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing, April 19, 1995.

Neocons and Republicans grow angry and uncomfortable whenever Timothy McVeigh is cited as an example of a non-Islamic terrorist. Pointing out that a non-Muslim white male carried out an attack as vicious and deadly as the Oklahoma City bombing doesn’t fit into their narrative that only Muslims and people of color are capable of carrying out terrorist attacks. Neocons will claim that bringing up McVeigh’s name during a discussion of terrorism is a “red herring” that distracts us from fighting radical Islamists, but that downplays the cruel, destructive nature of the attack.
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By brandon
#28444
I've never seen it posted here, nor have I ever met any "Conservatives" who claim that all terrorist acts are carried out by Muslims. Seems silly and childish to believe that they think such a thing. Simple minded even. The only fair thing to say is that terrorism is carried out by extremists of all kinds. Take the 9/11 hijackers for example, and try telling a conservative that the hijackers were conservative religious extremists.

ABTW, I have never met a person who is politically to the left who isn't full of hatred for white people, Christians, and Jews.

Just sayin'. :P
#28447
Elk gives a list of terrorists act but not one of them Muslim related :lol: :lol: :lol:

You left wing wackos will do anything to pretend Muslims and blacks are nothing but victims, in the mean time 20 of our embassies are shut down and Muslims are trying to kill us.
#28464
RealJustme wrote:Elk gives a list of terrorists act but not one of them Muslim related :lol: :lol: :lol:

You left wing wackos will do anything to pretend Muslims and blacks are nothing but victims, in the mean time 20 of our embassies are shut down and Muslims are trying to kill us.
I suppose that Faux news is going to do an expo on white terrorists!!!

:lol: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen:
#28537
All of those right wing terrorists cited above are the reason why I believe in my 2nd amendment rights to self preservation. So Dems... why do you think it is a good idea to pass more gun laws when the right wing is that violent?
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By brandon
#28576
So Dems... why do you think it is a good idea to pass more gun laws when the right wing is that violent?
Because RC, they think the guns, not the people shooting them are the problem. Their logic is that by confiscating and making all guns illegal all gun crimes and violence will cease.

Let's follow that logic.

All gun ownership is outlawed. But not errbuddy wants to turn over their guns to Big Bro.

Now what?

:P
By Grog
#28579
Alas, Young Brandon. Can you show us where anyone other than Fox and Rush and the NRA, have seriously made a realistic attempt to confiscate guns and make gun ownership illegal for the mass of people?

Do some extremists want to seize and outlaw guns? Of course. There are extremists on both sides that want to do extreme things, thus they are called "extremists." No one has proposed any serious legislative attempts to seize guns from law-abiding folks or make all guns illegal.

You haven't just sipped, you've guzzled NRA propaganda and now you have a permanent Kool-aid mustache. The mustache makes you look to be almost 15, intellectually.
By Grog
#28586
Say and, more importantly, believe whatever you want. As a conservative, especially a young conservative, belief will always trump facts and reality.

If you believe you hurt me, then that's all that matters. If you believe that someone is going to take your gun(s), then that's what matters. It doesn't matter what the real reality is. It only matters what you believe.

Believe that Jesus loves you and He does. Believe that Obama is a Kenyan, and he is. Believe that the Dems are going to take your guns, and they will. Believe that you will win the Powerball, and you will.

Never stop believing that belief trumps facts and reality. If you ever stop believing in belief, then your conservatism will be lost.
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By brandon
#28587
I said I'm sorry man.

WTF happened to you? You used to make "the" most powerful arguments on this lame ass board. Now you resort to assigning people the positions you want to argue with.

It was honest, objective consideration that you used to have that made me read your posts.

Now you just bust me for being young?

Really?
#28588
Tell us Grog....what do you believe in? Do you believe that just because you see yourself as a law abiding citizen you don't need the protection of the fourth amendment? Do you believe that since you already own a gun that there's no longer need for the second amendment? You say you don't own a gun?....Well then thank those, that unlike you do own guns and know there's is a real threat to our freedoms.
By Grog
#28589
Young Brandon, I am not "busting" you for being young. I'm pointing out that in addition to being young, you're a moron. Despite what Wayne and Leroy and JustBaghdadbodFreedme tries to tell you, no one is trying to prevent you from owning a gun or realistically planning to take whatever you have.

You BELIEVE Dems are going to take your guns, so that's all that matters to you. You've been TOLD it COULD happen and then as such, you believe it it because you believe the simpletons who told you that. Your buddy Sillydaddy is maybe, maybe one IQ point from being classified as mentally retarded and yet you believe him.

You're a child Young Brandon. Celebrate your eternal childishness.

Believe as you wish because that's all that matters. What you BELIEVE.
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By brandon
#28590
How weak and pathetic. More meaningless babble.

Now that you're an impotent old fuck, go ahead and delete your profile so I can re register as the new "Grog" .

LMFAO, the great and powerful ..... has nothing left.


Night night grampy.


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#28622
Can you even own a 10/ 22 in the UK, Australia, etc.?

The Left has a very clear goal of disarming the citizenry, and if permitted they would do it in the US just as they have in so many other parts of the world.

The evidence is very clear and widespread.
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