[Nick2009]

Greetings of the site! I wonder more than 6 months in a row ...
What happens at the site with the voting system??????

All month the girls have some scores ... These scores are very low and are falling all the time ... At the end of the month (the last day) you change the points for other ... What is it???????


Before the fall of the site voting system was perfect. Nobody could tighten up votes and the total score all seen after some time. It was hard to change the scores and fall their then ..

what happens to the voting system now? Why do you artificially change the scores at the end of the month? Please go back to the old system of voting ...

I'm worried - my favorite site loses reputation, visitors and regular models (G., V., J., o., and others)! Site filled professional models, hackers .... You have to make a change and become again "invincible sexual monster"!!

What do you think guys?

Nicole with love

[Yana]

Some Contributors are trying to manipulate the ratings, and at the end of the month Admin eliminates multi vote and rating becomes close to the truthful.

[Nick2009]

Before the voting system was another... Better...
Before You can see the scores later and then was hard to fallvoices ... Now you can see the point at once - it's easy to know how to lower it ...
Agree???

Administration of this site is not active.
1) A lot of professional models on the site but they ignore all reports
2) administration is not trying to improve the system of voting

This all leads to a damping of the site. Many models have left the site, many visitors also not active here.

People (owners&admins) reconnect the old site...

[Jbe]

Nicole, I can't speak for the voting system either before or after but I do know that has always been an issue. It's hard to make voting "fair" since there will always be people who down-vote the more popular ladies... just because they can... and because in their eyes lovely ladies such as yourself with a good photographer have to be a "pro". They can't accept the fact that you can produce very high quality pics and still be an amateur. Unfortunately you should be only too aware of that as I have seen many comments on your contris claiming you are a pro. I've watched your contris over the years and have seen the qaulity grow from good to really good... and even outstanding.

Yes, there are "pros" occassionally posting here and there are stolen contris as well. That also has always been a problem with not only this site but others as well. If someone reports a contri as a pro or stolen they should provide some proof. Otherwise how does anyone know for sure?

It has been my experience that Admin is trying very hard to be active and address issues. My experience with Kiki has been very positive. However, she seems to have a huge job on her hands and may have trouble addressing everything for everyone in a timely manner.

Yes, a lot of the big names did leave and follow Igor to his new site. I'm sure they all have their own reasons. Some may feel a sense of loyalty to him rather than a site. To each their own. It's sad they no longer choose to post here as well- the site that gave them their start. I have no problem that he started his own site and that ladies post at multiple sites. My problem is the way he left and apparently sabotaged this site almost beyond repair. To me that was very unprofessional on his part... but again I don't know the complete story and I doubt there are few who do.

I am glad you have chosen to continue to post here as well. Give it time. Things seem to get better all the time.

[Nick2009]

I still wonder why the administration does not support our discussion and makes a strong case for the rating.... Why did they change it in the last day?

Hey guys, Get organized the site))) You need to be more strict to photos that look like a professional, you have to actively respond to notices of professionals, etc


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[VWSupport]

Nicole - Please note, nobody on the staff changes any scores, initially we were running a program multiple times a month, including at the end of the contest, which checked for and managed any type of voting which was clearly up or down voting (which is of course cheating). We have been active in improving the voting system, including that the programmers have now added further coding which detects cheating in multiple ways, plus runs on a more consistent basis. From what I have seen, the newer voting system is much more secure against cheaters than it was in the past. We do everything in our power to prevent anyone from trying to manipulate the scores here at VoyeurWeb, as well as on HomeClips and RedClouds.

The team does try to respond to all reports of professionals as quickly as possible; once a report is submitted that provides a valid URL which shows proof that the contributor is a pro, the contributions team investigates this further. They remove those contris as quickly as possible, but keep in mind it can take 1-3 days to get them removed.

I am sorry if you feel that there are any issues, we are always looking for new suggestions and ideas to make all of the sites better and more fun, please continue to provide such so we can work towards this.

Jbe- Thank you very much for your kind words, and I really appreciate your recognition of the task at hand.

[Nick2009]

I do not agree that the new system is better. When competitors and dishonest people see the contribution point right away - they start to reduce it. It is much easier to reduce the score in the first hours of the appearance of images...
Therefore, I suggest that we return to the previous position - show the contribution rate after the vote for it 1000000 users or 4-5 hours after beginning of voting. Think about it .... This is an important argument. No visible scores in the early hours of beginning voting - so it is difficult to blindly lower scores )))

[Nick2009]

About reports.
Of course you remove the contribution if a person shows link to another site etc. It is your job...

But there are cases on the site that will amaze ... In a bad sense of the word
For example. Contributor snieff publishes several models to his profile.
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/346421/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/346424/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/358241/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and other...

But a few months ago, he has flagrantly violated the rules. He published also a professional model Katie G.
http://katie-g-femjoy.bravoerotica.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
He did this for several months, but you only delete the photos Of Katie G. Only that ... But by the rules of the site you had to disqualify contributor also with his other professional models.
You should still be strict with cheaters.
If you do not have links to pro pics of other his models, it does not mean that they are "amateurs". Maybe this photographer hired past of other less famous models. But if he has lied to you twice with Katie, why did you let him get money with other girls? It looks like you're blind and he laughs with you ...

I also know a few professional models of pro photographer who now receive money on the site(and by the way they are disguised as different investors and get a couple of major prizes ...) But unfortunately they also removed all the traces from other sites .. It's not fair that you do not respond to these photos ...

[Jbe]

Over the years there definitely has been an issue with "pros" and I know for sure it has affected the true amateurs that post here. I have to agree with Nicole about the named contributor and all his various models as well as at least one other who does the same thing. To me that does scream pro and in talking with another contributor recently she had similar feelings.

Seeing multiple higher quality contris of different models from one contributor should raise a flag. If the contributor truly is an amateur, then those pics would be posted by the models themselves under their own names and not his. But that is just my take on it.

Any site of this nature is going to have the same issues. There will always be someone out there that tries to beat the system and there will always be someone out there that will try and claim work that is not his.

Kiki, you have a daunting task. I hope it doesn't take it's toll on you as I believe you are a definite asset to this site. There is no way you will ever be able to make everybody happy ... and that was NOT directed at Nicole. You can only do so much and IMHO you are doing a great job.

[DangerousDi]

Can't they ban people that post the pro pictures for a period of time?

Okay what makes a pro? Is it only because they have another site? Because some of the VW winners appear to become pro's over time and they don't have a site. Then the question now are they pro's because the great photog and the model has learned how to do. Should they be banned too? Look at the money the top models here make.

[Nick2009]

About Voting system...
The voting system is your big problem. These points are not amenable any logic .... Let's think and take for example this month.
If the voting system is not changed from the past, why scores are not adequate? Good pictures and video are rapidly losing points every day (And it is not logical that they get a lot of positive comments and admiration on forums at the same time...), and the worst photos (which in the past would not have taken such scores) have a highest scores and places?
Then answer the question ... If the system does not die, maybe so mad all the residents of this sexual community???????????? They ceased to distinguish beautiful masterpieces ... They like crazy still admire the beauty of images in comments and forums and at the same time voting against it?? Illogical illogical illogical ...
Even with the naked eye can see that the site is dying because the voting system is unfair and fallen .. My heart is sick.........What do you think people?


Let's see an example to the section Erotic videos http://www.voyeurweb.com/contests/category/8/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Adriana's video http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/366418/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; received a lot of discussion in the forum, every day she has a positive comment but its score falls very much every hour ... Strange ... When you look at "Erotic Clips Monthly Contest rating" it starts to twitch eye ... If such a perfect voting system, why it is so easy to score fell from about 4.62 in the first few days to 4.25 today? Even if you calculate the the arithmetic mean - it is impossible to lower the score so without interference from hackers. How can such a great video to have admiration and lose so quickly vote?


Let's see an another example to the section Free style http://www.voyeurweb.com/contests/category/2/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Trinity's pics http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/367217/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A girl who has years of existence here, has millions of fans and a lot of discussion at the forum also illogical to lose votes. Fans went crazy? They stopped supporting the Trinity and vote for the blonde with no head more than her?

So ... If you look at each section - a continuous collapse ... Good pictures that deserve high scores - only have fall ... The different pictures nonsense gets high scores? Where is the justice and the work of your team? how can you explain and how you plan to fix this mess?

Thanks

Nicole with love

[VWFanxxx]

I am glad that Nicole brought this up because I have noticed it for quite a while. If a photographer knowingly publishes contributions of different models for the purpose of winning prizes then they are professionals. Another example is the contributor named photograph. I noticed that the model Anne has a few post in the freestyle section but its showing her winning a higher prize. I was wondering what the higher prize was only to see that its the same photographer but different model winning a higher prize in nude in public.

I am sorry but I don't want to see the great true amateur models like Nicole, Trinity, Marilyn, and Vienna go off to some other site. I wouldn't blame them if they did but if this is the practice here to allow obvious Pros to post then I won't be a regular on VW anymore.

Thanks

[trinityxxx]

Hi Nicole....thanks for the lovely comment about my contri I really appreciate your feedback. Thank you.
Nicole I do have the same concerns as you do about the voting system and the many pro photographers/models that seem to be flooding this site.

This is what I have been noticing and I am confused how these photographers can participate in an amateur contest.

Last month "Sneiff" posted multiple models
here are three of "Sneiff's" models from last month in Private Shots alone
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/346421/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/346424/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/358241/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

there were also some submitted to RC as well.
Sneiff was recently reported for using professional models and those contris have been removed.
I see "Sneiff" has not posted anything this month under that name, so maybe "Sneiff" has been banned for breaking the rules?

Then there is "Photograph"
Here are some contris for Private shots for just this month.
Model: Stephanie
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/368281/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Model:Jeanette
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/367061/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Freestyle for this month.
Model: Anne
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/367077/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Model: Caroline
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/367096/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Model: Cassandra
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/367081/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NIP section...Photograph has these contris.

Model: Caroline
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/367119/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Model: Katie
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/368283/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Now that just doesn't seem very amateur to me......having multiple models, multiple contris....month after month? Come on.....why is this allowed?

I have shared here for a few years now and have become very active in the community and I always make an effort to communicate with all my friendly viewers if it be on my contri, or the VW/RC BB's. I personally am here for the whole experience....I want to have fun here and be treated fairly as a contributor,....plain and simple. As a dedicated contributor to VW I find this observation very discouraging to us real amateurs.
I hope you consider looking into our concerns.

Thank you!
Trinity

[Nick2009]

I wonder... where is admins with high speed feedback... No interest???????????????????????

[Elise]

I give props to Nicole for being bold enough to start this thread! I think both Trinity and Nicole have done a great job giving facts about why there is an issue with the scoring system and the site in general. Great job ladies!

I was a regular contributor to VW before the crash. I submitted for about 5 years to the site, and I was very active in the forums and community that lived here on VW. I would even say I was part of the "COFF gang" and popular with the viewers of the site. I have been taking a "wait and see" approach with VW, while they "re-build". It's sad that things still haven't come together for the site. Seeing the amount of professional models/photographers who post and win here every month is a bit discouraging. Not to mention, the popular contributors who have tried to come back to the VW community have been all but shunned. I have seen some of the lowest scores ever on contributors who were popular, almost "Famous" on the old VW (To name a few: Nicole, Vienna, Trinity, Ormi). Each one of these contributors submit high quality, unique, artistic, sexy photos, yet their scores seem unfairly low.

There are 2 main reasons why I haven't returned to VW and participate here. #1: Asking for personal Social Security numbers every month from winners is hard to swallow. For those who live outside the US, it's no big deal because they aren't required to provide this information. For US citizens, it's a shock and with all the turnover of staff and instability in the past several months, it's a scary thing to do. Not to mention the fact that clear identifiers were provided on winners checks indicating a link to porn, which is embarrassing to present to your bank teller! #2: The scoring system seems very unstable and almost rigged. Nicole explained it perfectly in her previous posts. It almost seems like the previously popular contributors are being purposely voted down and the system isn't correcting this properly.

I look forward to Kiki's reply to this thread. It would be great to have some clarity and possible hope for past popular contributors. Kiki: I know you are trying very hard to make improvements, and while you were not part of this community before the crash, trust us when we say things still aren't right. We are doing our best to help you understand how things are different now. You must notice that the scores seem a little off in many of the sections. It seems too obvious not to notice. Thanks again for all your hard work on the site, and I am hopeful with some more work things can improve.

[DangerousDi]

Have you gals written to KIKI or reported them with back up links that show they are pro's?

I don't blame y ou gals at all.

[VWSupport]

I apologize for not getting a chance to answer sooner, there is a lot to get to here so I will try to address it all.

Professionals:
For those I have not already talked to personally in email, Sneiff was disqualified from entering our contests as he was proved to be taking photos of professional models. This is perhaps the contribution department's most difficult job, when to tell whether it is just a guy who likes to photograph ladies because their husbands/partners/or they are just single and sexy, have no interest in learning about lighting or lens or a camera, yet the women still want to show off and need a person snapping away so we can be lucky enough to see it. If we cannot find the model on another site or anywhere else, it becomes difficult for us to judge and impossible to prove that these women are not amateurs looking to enjoy themselves for the simple sexy pleasure of it. There are several professionals who were reported to myself and the contributions department who have been disqualified since; we are currently investigating another one now thanks to an email tip from one of the lovely ladies who have posted on this thread.

The voting system:
I have touched on this previously, but it was a bit further up the thread so for those who already read it please bear with me as I will go over it quick here too. There are several scripts which run at various times throughout the month that detects and removes any purposeful up/down voting or alerts us to any discrepancies which indicates illegal voting. There are multiple ways in which the program finds these votes in order to ensure maximum fairness to all our contributors and prevent cheating, however I do agree that the system is not perfect, people will always try to find a way to cheat. In order to further prevent such cheating that might have gotten around the system the tech team does further analysis after voting has been closed (which is why results are not finalized until several days after the end of the contest), to ensure as best as possible that nothing was missed by the scripts that we have running to prevent fraud.
If we were to not show the scores in real time (or even go so far as to not show any actual scores ever), unscrupulous people would still attack those in the top contri spots, much in the same manner we are seeing now and dealing with. Please provide any further ideas or suggestions which might allow us to make the voting system even better and we will look into them all.

Regarding Prizes:
I am personally in charge of handling the prizes now with our book keeper who is licensed and bonded, we are the only two members of the staff who handle prize information. I very much apologize for the initial issues with prizes before I took over, however I can assure you there are no such issues in the present or will be future, please ask any of the contributors I have dealt with these past few months and they can confirm this for you.


Thank you very much to those for their kind words, it is indeed a difficult task at hand, and the entire team tries their best to ensure we do right by all the amateur contributors. We need and appreciate all feedback from members and contributors alike so we can make this site better each day.

[trinityxxx]

Hi Kiki thanks for the prompt message here.
I want to say thank you for all that you do for the site I appreciate your honestly and sincerity. Kiki you are a huge asset to this site and you seem to be making an effort to turn the site around. So thank you!

As far as the ratings scores that Nicole highlighted on.....I realize that there will always be hackers and haters that will try to bring down someones score. Kiki I was wondering if it would be possible to only allow registered guests to vote? Maybe this would help damper manipulated votes? Just a thought.

As far as the pro photographers/pro models that are using the site as a cash cow....well I can only hope that the viewers here come to realize who the real amateurs are. The real amateurs are typically going to post fairly regularly and not be some pretty face you see one month and then poof they are gone. The real amateurs are going to be thankful of your comments and also interact with their fans, we listen to our fans and try to fulfill their requests for future contris. The real contributors are not some random stolen content off the web and planted here to try and win money. We are here for fun and actually care about our fans, we want our viewers to have a good time and we want them to revisit this site often because they like it here.
The pros will continue to flood a site like this especially when the prizes are high and everyone continues to vote for them. So fans its up to you,....you want Pro's here or Amateurs that actually care?
So with that said....we can only hope that the viewers come to realize what is real!!....then cast your vote!

As I mentioned before, as a contributor it is discouraging to observe the mentions above.....so I hope that the site becomes a little more stabilized.
That is my two cents coming from a real amateur.....and I do care. :-)

xoxo
Trinity

[trinityxxx]

NICOLE......you had made this comment as listed below:

I also know a few professional models of pro photographer who now receive money on the site(and by the way they are disguised as different investors and get a couple of major prizes ...) But unfortunately they also removed all the traces from other sites .. It's not fair that you do not respond to these photos ...


Nicole if you know these pro models/ and photographer please let administration know about it. There are two gals that I suspect of pro's....both have similar body types, ages, hair styles,very similar settings, identical facial expressions, very similar clothing/lingerie, for christ sakes they even wear the same fricking lip gloss!!! I think you get my drift....LOL
Nicole is best you let Kiki know whomever is taking advantage of this site.

[Paulbrx]

I can't add anything on the vote scoring issue; I haven't paid much attention to the scores since this site was resurrected. However, I think it is an issue that must be given full consideration. Trinity, Vienna, Ormi, Nicole and Elise are favorites of mine--in fact, I've become e-friends with several of them. I am very protective of my friends. (I've helped Trinity and Elise get stolen videos removed from another site.) If they leave this site, there won't be any reason for me to continue here.

Kiki, I do believe you will do your best to make the voting as fair as possible. I just want to say that these ladies are the heart and soul of VW; please ensure that their concerns are addressed as quickly and speedily as possible.

Thanks,

Paulbrx

[Paulbrx]

I really should learn to proofread better. I meant to say "as quickly and fully..."

Paulbrx

[MattPhotograph]

Hi,
We really thank sexy Nicole for opening this threat. And the fact that some of the most loyal and famous contributors as well as supporters which hold the site alive participates, shows that the obvious score manipulation is becoming a very big issue for voyeurweb which is a mess!
We also thank Kiki, we appreciate her dedicated work here very much and we are happy that she always try hard to answer and save problems as quick as possible.
We like your kind way you handle the thinks!

Unfortunately, it seems that voyeurweb hasn't the fully control of the scores at the moment. They are passenger in their own boat. Since months there are scores and score-jumps which clearly shows that the scores are manipulated. The peak of it for us were reached last month. I think it isn't overconfident to say that a high class contri of Vienna was systematically down voted to a score we never had nearly before and which cannot be the truth. The same happens to Ormi.

The down voting starts direct after the start, which is quite usual since the restart, because you can see the score from the first moment. Than after one day it stabilized at a low value of about 4.6. Also this is usual in the last months. Even with this score Vienna and also Ormi were far away from the next place (4.46) and this 3 days before the end of the month. Now something starts what I never saw before in such a dimension. The contris starts to go down isochronous. It was always the same, about 1 hour after Ormis contri lost 0,01 the same happend to Vienna. The tact was so fast, that in the last three days every hour thousands of peoples must have had a look at these sexy pics which shows a beautiful woman with a perfect sexy body (it's not only my opinion ) in a wonderful landscape with lot of people around, all EiP is about, and then all of them decide to give them a poor???! And direct before or after it they did the same with the beautiful Ormi and her brave pics last months???! Common, nobody of the vw team can really believe this. You have to face the fact that manipulation is going on here.
Manipulation in a way which goes far beyond normal down voting, this must be systematically since the score felt continuously very fast 24h per day. And it seems so that it is only happened to regular and famous contributors. (Elise mentioned some of the most popular in her post) Please think about who and why somebody have interest to run the regular contributors away from voyeurweb and do something against it! In this way it doesn’t make sense for us to continuous posting in a cheating system.
Please don’t misunderstand it. It isn’t because of not winning. We love to have a fair competition with other contributors who shares our passion. It is always a pleasure to track the development of other great contributors like Ormi who deliver high quality picture in the EiP section since Years. We know that it is also not the right way to give the cheaters the success they try to get. But it’s not on the contributors to change something, voyeurweb has to find a way and get back control of the system. We strongly hope vw will succeed this but we are also very positive since we know how hard Kiki is working to bring voyeurweb back to an unique playground for open minded people!

Many hot greetings from Matt & Vienna!

[trinityxxx]

Well put Matt!


Before the site crashed the system would show a certain score for a contri and it would take about 2-3 days for the contri to stabilize and hold a certain score. So if a contri would show a score of 4.65 on the first day, the contri would fluctuate up or down a tad ranging usually 4.63-4.67 in a few days.
So the drastic ups and downs has been quite confusing as it would take thousands to make the scores fluctuate as they have been. I am confident this is a hacker/hater that we have on our hands here...and not VW manipulating votes.
So as I mentioned earlier if there is a way to only allow registered users to vote that may deter the haters from purposely down voting.....cause we know lovely ladies with such a huge fan base like Vienna and Ormi would usually have a much higher score.
Yes something is wrong, I believe Kiki when she says its not VW manipulating the system. I believe its an outside source and I hope VW crew can find a better way to control the hackers.
So I hope everyone doesn't give up, let's continue to have fun. We can't give up because by doing so the hackers win.
I just hope VW can find a solution to work around the hackers.
:-)

[rugrollers]

I am sorry but not surprised to see that these problems with the scoring system are still going on. It came up on the RCBB in October/November, but it seemed that very few contributors were aware or concerned, so it's good that many are now speaking out in unison. Also about the constant stream of professional or stolen material.

But I think the problem runs deeper than hackers or non-registered voters. I have become convinced that there is a fundamental problem with the management structure at VW. The old VW had its problems, but at least Igor was in charge of both the tech side and communications with contributors and members. Now the two are split, and the “people” side has been made subordinate to the tech side. But the tech folk have minimal communication with contributors and members and aren’t really able to learn what matters to them. This would be a problem even if the tech folk were competent. But so far as I can tell they are not, and I’m not seeing any signs of improvement. Either that, or they just don’t care about rectifying these issues with scoring and pro/stolen content.

Kiki is wonderfully helpful and competent, but Kiki doesn't run the site. When and if the current tech folks are replaced and the management structure is changed so that VW’s priorities are people-based instead of tech-based we may see these problems rectified. Until then, VW will not be able to regain our trust.

Rug Roller

[Nick2009]

Did Kiki answer emails??? Dear I wrote so many times but no answer...

[VWSupport]

First off, thanks for making me blush everyone it means a lot coming from all of you.
Paulbrx said it perfectly, you are all a huge part of the heart and soul at VW!

Matt & Vienna - So glad you two joined in the conversation too!

I think the solution to the problem is exactly what Trinity stated. She brought up the idea of having only registered users to vote, and this is something I very much agree with. I know there has been discussion about this in the past, and there is the obvious downside of having less people voting which will to some extent make every vote count more as less votes mean each one carries more weight, however I do believe that in the end this will ensure that 99.9% of those who try to cheat are prevented from doing so immediately. Of course we will still be running the scripts which will detect fraud, and checking at the end of each month. I understand everyone's concerns, and will ensure that VW does everything to keep the site fair and voting stabilized. I have already asked the tech team to start implementing this immediately, if anyone has any further ideas please let me know.

The past three days our top tech guy (who's name is actually Guy) and I have been going through any and all votes that were marked as suspicious or fraudulent and dealing with them, I hope to have the finalized list soon.

[VWFanxxx]

I have been a lurker for quite sometime and as I said in my previous comment I would hate to see some of my favorite ladies leave because they are frustrated with the amount of pro's they are competing with, and the crazy fluctuating scores.

One thing that I believe is that the fluctuating scores may be from an outside source. I am not going to say any names, but think about this for a minute. Who on earth hates this site? Who is a major computer geek? Who would want to hack the votes on the top contributors and make it look like VW's fault and with all hopes pisses off the contributors so they leave the site? Who would want them to leave here for good and be loyal to his site? I think by now you know who I am referring to. Seems far too obvious to me that this may be what is happening, after all he did go out of his way to hack the entire site and try to destroy it completely. VW is his biggest competitor so why wouldn't he continue the conspiracy?

[CLOUZEAU]

Maybe the answer is simpler

il there are less votes, each vote has more weight in the score, hence it's easier to push it up or down.

Isn't it the root cause of the issue?

Just wondering...

[espresso12]

I am not surprised at all what has happend now.
Actually, I have predicted all these suspect rating scores 14 days
ago in the other thread:
http://forums.voyeurweb.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=367" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

BUT I AM indeed very suprised how gullibly and naive most of you still are.
Come on guys, you have put all the pieces together, all the facts are here,
why don't you just count one and one together?

Unsrupulous cheaters from outside? Conspirancy? Are you kidding?

How can an cheater from outside edit the mainpage and promote exactly just
the most suspect and obviously faked contri?
How can it be that obviously faked contris stay in the contest, that all
comments with proof links are removed immediately and - much more important-
all reporting emails are ignored UNTIL the fake is being reported here in the
forum? And now please explain, how can it be that exactly this faker, a day after
his reported contri has been removed, publishes the next contri again promoted
on mainpage? And how can it be, that exacty those fakers managed to have those suspect
contris - although being of mediocre quality- always staying on top of the ranks
and magically gain better ratings at the end of the month?

In the last month we have seen days where some specific contributors, which have already
been proven as faker, got a VW main page promotion again whereas at the same day Adriana's or
VanessaB's posting were not even mentioned on main page!

All coincidence? All magic? No, it is plain simple.
Nobody is trying to manipulate the votes from outside.
The rankings are exactly as they should be by the VW crew, period.


Management structure? tech folk? member driven, tech driven?
What, for heaven's sake, are you thinking 'new VW' is? A multi-dimensional organisation
with departments and different trends and power views?

We are talking about three, maximum 4 people running one hosted virtual server on a godaddy platform, that's it.
It's Kiki the press officer, John the (non)tech guy ( and anyone having dealt with PA, like me, knows
that you can expect anything in terms of unscrupulousness from this guy), maybe a tech assistent from time to time, and Diego. Forget the first three, they either have no power or no competence or no both. So it's Diego, and we all
had already the pleasure to get to know his - let me say - 'friendly' character. Why do you all think that the way he
has communicated, argued and appeared on these boards differs from the way he runs VW?
Again - it is a simple as all your gathered facts suggest:
Diego says:"Hey, we are low on contris in RC, copy some from other sites and post them" and the other two just do it.
Diego says:"Hey, we have no money. Take care that at least 50% of the prize money stays by us and our faked contris", the other two do it.
Pretty simple.

You still think this crew has scruple to cheat and fake?
Well, then go to the main page, scroll down to 'Today's World'.
What you see is a 100% copy and paste from a copyrighted Huffington Post article. No there is no reference, no back-link, no correct citation of the copyright owner, nothing. It is an airtight copyright violation, and btw the fraud is done day by day since 8 months. They have copy&pasted more than 100 HuffPost articles, about a dozen reuters articles and a dozen articles from other sites.
You may think I'm small minded because that is just a copied news article, but IMHO it says a lot of the mentality
of the guy running this site: "Steal it and publish it as our own, who cares?"
Think about it and think twice before giving these guys your social security number...

[Riesen]

First off, thank you to all the contributors. I've loved watching you all throughout the years.

Have I recently registered? Yes. I'm a lurker. I don't often have much to say and I usually just keep quiet, but there is just a point where one feels like they must speak up. Regretfully this is now.

I am not at all happy with some of the things that VoyeurWeb has done, but I do find that Kiki is very willing to be helpful and do all she can to right those things that have been done wrong in the past.

This thread started as just that, to bring to light an issue with votes, for the contributors to contribute to the discussions and for the administration to listen. That is exactly what I saw happen, Kiki listened and fixed with an incredible response rate.

RugRollers, I must say that I echo your sentiments exactly. Those that are currently in "power" or at least assume to be, I do not hold much value in as I have myself had several difficulties when dealing with Diego. I do however feel the same you do of Kiki.

Espresso12, this thread was looking as if it was leading somewhere, until you stepped in. As always you spend as much time as possible to say very little. You assume that all of us are naive and I wish that you keep your opinions to yourself. Those that are speaking here are speaking of a community and you do not seem to be nor want to be, a member. I of course am echoed in this statement, but I have chosen to open my mouth simply because I am frustrated by you.

I do agree with many of the things you say:

1: Those that are in charge of the front page are not capable of spending mere minutes a day to check whether or not a contribution has been posted elsewhere. This can be done by any number of ways.

2: The people in charge of the front page, besides being incapable of checking contributions, also consistently bump contributions that are obviously from a professional photographer.

3: It's quite simple to put a link when any type of content, even a news article, is taken from anywhere on the web.

4: John of PA is not someone that should be anywhere near an amateur community.

That is unfortunately where I stop agreeing with you.

1: To insinuate that a website that gets the Alexa stats it does (although trust me, it is far down from what it was prior to June) could possibly run on a virtual private server, then you are gravely mistaken and poorly informed.

2: Kiki consistently responds to every one of your posts and I cannot imagine how she has the patience to do so. I hate that insulting someone over the internet is so easy for people. It's not hard when you can hide behind your computer, is it?

3: All of your posts have something negative to say. If you like VC so badly, please go there! I'm tired of this drama. We come here for sexual gratification. and instead I have to come see your posts.

Please, help us make this place something better, by being constructive and critical, but being open to discussion and helping to change the place. If not, please leave us be, none of us (I'm sorry if I'm putting words in any others mouths) wish to be called gullible and naive by you.

Please, Kiki, it may be a good idea to remove both of our replies to a different location, as we are both terribly off topic.

[somewhere]

No no don't remove from this thread -- it is exactly the topic. How Voyeur Web goes these days.

I agree with reisen. I also lurk around not saying much. But I also follow and from his example now I think should speak to show maybe we are some or many knowing something of what is going on.

For espresso maybe the best to say is: to think "Diego" is boss over "John" means not following very much at all, from what I have seen.

The idea is right that Voyeur Web is now strangely managed in the contests with scores suddenly changing and not the way it was before and many professionals. And only this I am wondering about Kiki: when you tell us those things like scoring and pros are being fixed then are you believing something they are telling you or they make you tell it like this or I don't know WHAT. Kiki PLEASE to be honest with what you say. Because to say it is being fixed but month by month it is not fixed we can only believe for a while but not for ever.

I myself also thank those contributors coming on this thread for many beatiful things they showed us many many years. Elise, Nicole, Trinity, Vienna, WOW. But also I can see you are mostly going to the site of "Igor" now and trying to make nicely with "Igor" but maybe do you trust him if you still try here? Or just to make both? I don't know. Exept rugrollers I have not noticed you on even one site or the other one. Do you trust "Igor" now if not this site?

Voyeur Web still can make right but I ask if it is trying to do it now really? The main point of aggreeing with reisin is to say what is the problem to help and not only trying to destroy. Maybe not just me thinking so? I hope.

Only that.

[Rich]

Lof of days passed since I wrote my first post but you still have to publish it!!!
The forum has the aim to exchange opinions; I could give a name to all this: censorship
As I portended the final rank has been changed!!! You can't do that only 'cause one contributor was moaning about it


I repost the message you didn't publish:

I noticed that this problem was already introduced in an Ormi's thread on Sat Aug 25, 2012 http://forums.voyeurweb.com/viewtopic.p ... rmi#p11040" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and where only some people have given their opinions. It's strange that several contributors are attending only now 'cause they do not win their first prize. I hope that the staff of vw during checking of ranking, which is happening at this time, does not change the positions of the winners as they like, 'cause that would be a real fraud.
I really hope that the contri that won in Exposed section keep his first place!

Dear Vienna why you never wrote something about this matter in previous months, even if your contributions did not take a high score but your final rank, however, was first prize\place? It was good for you? Being in second place is probaly an injustice for you?
You have to understand that in a competition you can finish in any position and not just first place!
Probably everything let you feel very sure of yourself but remember that the judgment on the quality of photos is subjective and depends on viewers opinions and sincerely I think there are contributors who send higher quality photos than you; moreover, on how you describe yourself you really think to be perfect, but it's not so, as many guys, and I am one of them, don't like women with small breasts or skinny, etc etc.

I think the vw staff has many things to improve but still they say that the vote is regular, and I believe them, otherwise we could start this debate about ALL previous final ranks.

[espresso12]

... it's been pretty quiet here the last days, and yes, the winner lists have been 'manually' adjusted, some fellow celebs have got their dignified positions back, others - like Rich - lost some money, seems everybody can live with this arrangement, right?
Hey 'Riesen', believe me or not, I do understand your frustration but I didn't follow your conclusion which is
"Bad news? Shoot the messenger!"
Being the 'pain in the ass' seems to be the only method to bring back at least a minimum of fairness and trust to this site despite of the disastrous management. But yet, it is a never ending story and slowly I'm getting tired seeing the same dumb attempts to cheat and fake day by day and maybe you're right and I will follow the many others who just disappeared.
You think, I'm too negative again? Overexaggerate again?
Ok, let's take today (we could have also taken yesterday, doesn't matter: yesterday it was the top RC main teaser on frontpage, 'Lorena At Doggy Style', a cheap copy & paste, a dozen times on the net, one right-click and google image search), because today, it will bring us back to the main topic of this thread.

Have a look to this beautiful cutie and the nice background:

vw_sexygirl.JPG (20.73 KiB) Viewed 101135 times

and now have a look to this nice portfolio I made from some models of a french porn site (I have blurred the name of the site, we don't want to advertise here):

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You got the idea, right?
Ok, so what, another cheat from some unscrupuleous guys, that made it to the main page, shit can happen...
No, this one is a special one, because it's from 'Fubushaba'.
Fubushaba has made a dozen submissions already, all of them stolen from around the net.
Almost all Fubushaba's contris made it to the frontpage.
Fubushaba has been reported a dozen times, at least by me since months.
Yes, one Fubushaba set have been removed, but only exactly that only one that has been reported to this bb in the other thread by me and other.
All other Fubushaba submissions are still there.
Fubushaba's contris including videos were one of those contris that magically survived any generall down rating of scores and Fubushaba is still in this month's winner list.

Ok, he didn't make the big money this month and maybe I'm too negative again but the really bad news is, there are more 'Fubushabas' out there or should I say 'in there'?.

Enough for today ...

[Nick2009]

LOL :-)

[DangerousDi]

Did you report them? Besides hitting the report button? That seems to get more action.

[trinityxxx]

That Emilie gal is Lou from last month.
I hope someone reported this to Kiki.
Good gawd yes it was a red flag two girls back to back with same setting. Geez
Administration won't see it here, tell Kiki.


I must say as a contributor and member i personally appreciate the community helping keep an eye out to keep this site amateur.
:-)
This site is flooded with pros and the more people looking out for fakes the better.
Thanks again.

[trinityxxx]

Forgot to say and Eva is the same as the gal Alicia in second place...it's gotta be removed. The pros need to go. Ugh
Good catch!

[Nick2009]

:evil: I wonder why the NEW team is not responding to reports quickly? At the moment now on the site few promodels and the reincarnation of some previously disqualified participants ... Why they are still here - we sent so many reports about it ((((((((((((((

Previously, the OLD team deleted suspicious photos in 2-4 hours after report ... Now do you not care? But this is the first condition to restore the site to its previous form ...

Hey, administrators!!!!!

[VWSupport]

Please note, we did not manually change any scores last month, the only thing that was done was a removal of all votes that were found to be fraudulent (meaning that clear cheating of up OR down voting was removed), so that the contest would be completely fair to all of our contributors. Going forward we will be implementing a voting system which will go even further in preventing any fraud, thanks to the contributors' input.

I personally cannot speak for the past, but in my opinion I cannot imagine that VW would be around as long as it has by scamming anyone. However, what I can personally speak for 100% is that for my time here (and I have been directly in charge of prizes for a few months), I have been in contact with the very real contributors and I have had the book keeper send out the winners' checks to very real people - you can confirm this with any of the winners.

Only a select few staff members left VW during the earlier part of last year, and the contributions department is very much still the same as it was with very few changes. They are still the same people working very hard as they were before, although I am very sorry that they have not been responding as quickly as they should. I have sent them an email (it is a bit late here as it about 12 am) regarding Fubushaba and the time it takes to remove contris after a report is received, and expect their reply in the morning.
Updated: ***The reports sent in to the contributions department about Fubushaba did not contain any URLs. Those reports were replied to asking for a URL, but the contributions has not yet gotten any responses back***

The most important thing is to get this site back to what makes it great: amateurs, and only amateurs. Thanks to Nicole and Trinity I am in the process of getting rid of a very tricky pro, and I thank them very much for their assistance in all of this. We don't WANT professionals on VW, and especially NOT stolen content, as this only degrades the value of VW. Therefore it does not make any sense for anyone on the team to be intentionally promoting such material, as it will only hurt VW. This is why we very much rely on our members and contributors to point them out to us, this is encouraged, not disparaged, and I appreciate all that you do to help us out.

[espresso12]

I will not comment this anymore....

today main page

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2009

vw_alexandra.JPG (53.51 KiB) Viewed 100930 times

PS: 6 days over and fubushaba still there ... why should anyone report anything?

[CLOUZEAU]

Obviously this site administration is not willing to do anything about it, few words for complainers but keep the cheaters online to make the site look better

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[DangerousDi]

Have you considered emailing them instead of posting it on the boards? Or do you do that also?

[Nick2009]

I will not comment this anymore....

today main page

vw_ti.JPG

2009

vw_alexandra.JPG

PS: 6 days over and fubushaba still there ... why should anyone report anything?

Kiki, I wonder why you keep cheaters on the site ...

You have removed one contribution of this girl ONLY... (one about which has publicly said ESPRESSO- see the topic above). I wonder again. Are the new administration supports professionals and cheaters?

This girl has broken a rules.
1. Before in 2012 she was "_sasha_", after next Disq she has another name, now she is Tira.... Not strange?????
2. In march 2012 she was Disq http://www.voyeurweb.com/winners/201003 ... Clips.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; with the same video (look 4th place – It was her video ). Older members of the site must also remember. Empty space - it was her!!!!!!
3. This girl is already 2 times was disqualified from the site in 2010 and 2012. Why did you let her back on the site again??? You have to remove not only the contribution of one person, but to block his account with the rest of the contributions

She have more pics and vids here
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/371025/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/370964/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/374144/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So please do your job completed and remove the traces of this CHEATERS as you did with Snieff before!


You have to be strict with contributors. The old site will revive only when the seducers shall be afraid... But you support them. Enough to pay money for professionals and cheaters.
If the person deceived site at least once, it will be again. If you do not strogike with contributors - your fault that the site choked professionals .. You have to remove not only the contribution of one person, but to block his account with the rest of the contributions ... People cheated website to get the money. You give a good example for the professionals. They see everything that you do not take punishment, and they attack the site.

Bad situation///////

[Nick2009]

AND I have 2 more reports and some evidence about past winners - Jenuary 2013. It is not funny - you ignore our reports and pay money for cheaters........
I have the facts, but who are interested in ...? All my reports and the reports of other members of the site VW administration ignores ..........

[FAQ]

espresso12, you have expressed my issues as well. Even the most outrageous evidence is ignored by VW these days. Only when Kiki is backed into a corner does something happen, but not until after the damage has been done.

Nick2009, same thing here. I stopped reporting the cheaters. If no action will come of the evidence presented, why bother? The evidence in this thread alone should have caused action on VW part. Not so much.

This is truly a sad time at VW. Cheaters are rewarded, and true amateurs' issues are ignored.

[VWSupport]

I have never felt "backed into a corner" by anyone here. In fact it has been quite nice corresponding with many of you, and to those who are in continued direct contact with me via email and PM as you know I have been doing my best to work with everything I have been given and have brought it all to the Contributions Department who have handled it. Contributor's photos are removed when they are proven to be professionals, but I need that proof. It is not enough to say "they have been banned before" as I need some type of proof as that is part of the removal process. A URL which proves that they are professional is the most ideal.

Nicole, you have been very helpful in getting professionals off the site and I greatly appreciate that, but I am unsure why you say that I have ignored your reports, as we have been communicating via PM and email for quite some time. I just need proof in a certain case which you and I both have been working towards finding. It would be unfair to disqualify a woman without such proof, as you also agree with me about and are quite fair in saying.

[espresso12]

Heya... did I hear someone asking for proofs ;-) ?

Well, I had already posted my informations about Tira (Tirahe) at the COFF Town Hall Thread
http://forums.voyeurweb.com/viewtopic.p ... &start=350" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
10 days ago.


but anyways, here are the proofs again:

It's about this two remaining contris of Tira:

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Please have a look to this russian VW copycat site (yes, I have again blurred the name to prevent advertising):

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Tira is obviously Tirahe.

The VW set "Forest Girl" has already been published there as "Deep of woods" (see the pumkins!) and has already won a contest in November 2012.

The other VW set "Таиланд " has already been published before there as "Thailand, the island of Samet".

This is not a proof that Tira is a pro but it shows that both contris have been published before and therefore breaking VW contest rules.

[espresso12]

.... talking about pros...

yes, there are many pros currently active in VW. I'm not expecting that the crew find all of them by their own.
But at least they should block their own old partners from MFF.

Take for example Vikki, last posting this wednesday 20th:

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Nearly ALL of the shots from this contri can be found in VW's own Hall of Fame!

See here:

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This is just recycling of old material again and again.
And in this case, we are talking about a true pro, because 'Vikki was a MFF girl and used to submit without participating at the contest.

See here Victoria and her MFF sets:

victoria_mff1.JPG (56.17 KiB) Viewed 98565 times

Haha, can you read the statement:
"*This model does not participate at the monthly awards and her contri is not being ranked together with amateur contris*" ?
Yes, this was the good old time where at least someone was able to run the show!

[contributor]

Here is what I found.You can compare this pictures http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/376600/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; with this one http://www.imagefap.com/photo/648004416 ... 4&page=0#3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; .They are identical.The picture on the other site was uploaded in October and the contri here was posted yesterday and is among the winners.

[jenn]

Some of you may remember that I used to often post contris to Redclouds, but have not done so in months. I see that the site has been taken over by professional photographers and models. The admin clearly is not concerned with this issue as even the most egregious examples of reposts, stolen photos, and professionals are not dealt with. There is no trust, and therefore no reason to post. If this changes, we'll be back.