[Clownkicker]

Here is what the world will look like when Republicans run the country and every Trump supporter is suitably armed:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mma_uf ... li=BBnb7Kz

Heck, the guy has a right to carry a gun for protection, right?

[johnforbes]

This is an interesting story for those who know jiu-jitsu.

Initially, it was reported that this other fellow was a cop, so perhaps more info has flowed in?

What happens in another country has little application to Clowntroller's abiding hatred of Trump.

Meanwhile, Democrats just voted to raise taxes in a recession, and hire 87,000 more IRS agents.

[brandon]

Because Republicans are the main source of gun violence in America, right? Not one member of the NRA has ever been a mass shooter. None. There are hundreds of millions of guns and gun owners, with zillions of rounds of ammunition residing in America, yet it's only one very small demographic that commits mass shootings daily. They are not Republicans. America doesn't have a gun problem, it has a problem of feral urban savages waging war on each other with already illegal guns. The rest of the nation knows this, but you can't convince fascist morons with an agenda of that truth.

[Clownkicker]

"Because Republicans are the main source of gun violence in America, right?"-brandon

Good of you to ask the question. Maybe they are. Shall we look at the science?

The states with the highest rates of gun deaths are virtually all run by Republicans.

Here is a CDC map of states by rate of gun deaths: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosm ... irearm.htm

And here is a map of "Red States"--https://www.270towin.com/content/blue-and-red-states

If you notice, the two maps are disturbingly similar. Red States have the highest rate of gun deaths, on average. (And Illinois is only in the middle range, yet johnfoibles finds it somehow urgently compelling as he ignores all the Red States with far worse records of gun deaths.

The states with the lowest rate of gun deaths are virtually all run by Democrats and have 'Democrat' gun laws.

Things that make you go "Hmmmm..." eh, brandon?

Well, you asked.

[brandon]

Can you provide some statistics about how many of those deaths are from suicides? I found between 50-60% depending. I also found that suicide by gun is by far a white male problem, (with white women attempting suicide at greater rates but not with a gun). Also most of the “red” states have a large majority white population, so the government statistics will show that to be the case regarding gun “deaths” vs gun “violence” as I was referring. Other red states have higher rates of poverty and lower educational levels and some of the largest minority populations. (Mostly southern Black Belt states.) I also found that homicides by gun in America are secondarily and by far an urban, mostly black and POC and drug and gang related issue. But please do continue to spin and bullshit yourself and the rest of us with distorted statistics and partisan labels.

[johnforbes]

That "red state" stuff has been a Democrat talking point of late, so it is no wonder Clown is spouting it.

But the reality is that Democrat-controlled towns are at the heart of the gun violence, and the names are trivially easy to recite -- e.g., Baltimore, Washington, LA, Atlanta, Detroit, Chicago, the list goes on.

[Clownkicker]

brandon, can you not see the absurdity of your last post? You are actually here saying that suicides by gun are not part of "gun violence." So it's not the gun deaths that bother you. After all, that's what guns are for, right. It's not the deaths that bother you, it's all the noise those colored folk are making on the weekend. And then you accuse ME of spinning the issue.

You have shown yourself to be capable of rational thought in the past, but that last post is just nuts.

You are telling us that if white males put a gun to their heads and splatter their brains all over the bedroom walls it is not gun "violence." But if black or brown people have a shoot out outside a nightclub and some people get wounded it IS gun violence. If you think suicide by gun is not "violence" and that there are no other victims of suicide (such a spouses, children, and friends) then why don't you simply propose putting in local government sponsored suicide booths across America where white people can conveniently kill themselves without making such a mess. That would be far less violent.

And you totally ignore all the mass shootings perpetrated by whites around the country, such as the highly 'successful' 2017 Las Vegas shooting, the Pittsburg synagogue mass shooting, the Tops (Buffalo) mass shooting, and the Uvalde school shooting. Mass shooters are most often white guys. You can't just blame the POC for shootings and ignore the whites who do far worse with far more violent deaths and injuries. Even white police officers have recently been found guilty of simply murdering blacks like Floyd and Taylor.

Go ahead, brandon, tell me how I "spin and bullshit" myself with "distorted" statistics when you are the one trying to ignore the statistics entirely by removing those of white gun suicides from the discussion of gun violence, as well as ignoring the white mass shooters.

No, I don't think it is just fine that whites are intentionally killing themselves with guns and I DO think that is part of gun "violence." Suicide by gun is usually chosen because of the easy access to deadly force that you support.

[brandon]

I realize the importance of idiosyncratic definitions to your false narrative that we live in a racist society, but they don't change reality. People don't live in fear of white men committing suicide in their bedrooms. This will certainly shock you, but most mass shooters are not white. Most mass shooters are black.
Consider that young black men make up less than 6% of the population. Yet this demographic committed 68% of mass shootings in 2019, 73% of the mass shootings in 2020, and 70% of mass shootings in 2021. For those same years, white men committed 14%, 14%, and 14%. Latinos held steady at 14%, 14%, and 16%. Asians committed 4% in 2019, and none in 2020 and 2021.

[Clownkicker]

brandon, you can't just make up statisitcs. You need to give a source....like this one:

"Mass Shooting Demographics

Of the 172 individuals who engaged in public mass shootings covered in the database, 97.7% were male. Ages ranged from 11 to 70, with a mean age of 34.1. Those shooting were 52.3% White, 20.9% Black, 8.1% Latino, 6.4% Asian, 4.2% Middle Eastern, and 1.8% Native American."-U.S. Department of Justice

https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/pub ... -shootings

I showed you mine. Now you show me yours.

[johnforbes]

Blacks are roughly 12 percent of the population, and about half are women.

So 6 percent are black, and old males don't cause much violence, so it is really a bit over 3 percent of the population which causes almost half the violent crime.

Heck, if Clown could refrain from attending orgies during Gay Pride Month, America wouldn't have as big a monkeypox problem.

[Clownkicker]

Whites are roughly 61 percent of the population, and about half are women.

So 30% percent are white, and old males don't much violence, so it is really a bit over 15% percent of the population which causes over half the violent crime. And that doesn't even count the massive financial crimes perpetrated by white guys like Trump. Blacks don't come close to the total amount of life-destroying crime whites commit. The same goes for violent insurrections. That's entirely a white crime in this country.

See how your dishonest 'statistics' can be used to make whites look even worse, Dishonestjohn?

[johnforbes]

This entire matter was referred to my Inferential Statistics staff for further study.

On a preliminary basis, I can report that 9 out of 10 dentists who responded to a recent survey said that Clowntoker was completely bonkers.

[elklindo69]

Johnnie is stacking shit so high now it's starting to tip over.

Dumb Joke Alert....

Leaning Tower of Bullshit.

[Clownkicker]

Just another 'non-violent' white man gun suicide that no one lives in fear of, right, brandon?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/14/us/c ... crash.html

[brandon]

I wasn't able to read the Times article you linked to (behind a pay wall) so I may have different or incomplete information. It sounds like he was someone who was driven to this mental health crisis by dangerous political rhetoric (GOP and DNC) and is representative of absolutely nothing but that.

[Clownkicker]

No, it is representative of the fact that gun deaths are ALL gun violence, suicide or not.

It is dishonest to try to subtract suicide statistics from the overall gun violence problem we have in this country.

Every last gun death or injury is caused by a gun in someone's hands, virtually none of whom is a member of any "well regulated militia."

[brandon]

No. It’s dishonest to generalize about “gun violence” using partisan and racist generalizations which you stated in your op.
So we have one group that can’t stop killing themselves and other groups waging tribal warfare against each other in the streets and ‘hoods and you’re telling me people are more worried about suicidal old white men. Lol.
As soon as you remove the suicides from your statistics it’s a completely different picture.

[Clownkicker]

"No. It’s dishonest to generalize about “gun violence” using partisan and racist generalizations which you stated in your op."-brandon

No, it is dishonest to conveniently overlook the fact about gun violence which is that all gun violence involves a gun. ALL OF IT. It is the one common denominator. In a world where there were no guns, there wouldn't be a single gun injury or death. That's a fact. That's a valid nonpartisan generalization. It does not depend on politics to make it true.

Now, the only question is, do YOU want to do anything about the prevalence of guns in our society and anything at all about gun violence in our society? If so, what? I've only heard what you WON'T do about guns. But you sure do love to bitch about the predictable results of your partisan policies.

Democrats don't want to arm everyone, and Democrats don't want all guns to be available to everyone. Republicans do want to make guns available to anyone. The proof of this is that they fight, without exception, any legislation to limit gun ownership. If my OP is partisan, then it's because the scenario in that story is exactly what Republicans knew in advance would happen if everyone is armed. YOU know it will happen again if everyone is armed.

If you want to take umbrage with the results of your own politics, don't get upset at me and call ME partisan. It's the world you voted for. It's the world you knew in advance would occur given the gun laws you have supported (or not supported.)

And I'm really baffled that you support white suicide by gun. You minimize it and insist that it isn't "gun violence."
You must support it because you are insistent that all these shooters must be given guns if they want them, black white, brown, whatever. You INSIST. You DEMAND. You are mad at me because I don't think everyone should be allowed to have a gun. You and Republicans are spitting mad at anyone who wants to impose restrictions of any kind on gun ownership and you fight all such legislation with indignance.

Then you are upset that you aren't safe from gun violence in your city and pissed that the people YOU armed actually use their guns for the purposes for which they were designed. Well what did you think would happen? They are just people; people with guns, and guns have no other purpose. And yes, YOU knew that perfectly well when you armed them all.

Is that rational? Seriously, do you actually see that as a rational position to take on firearms?

[johnforbes]

Clown should read Gore Vidal's Messiah.

Also, after reading Clown's postings, who hasn't been tempted to end it all considering the raw stupidity of Clown's churlish content?

[Clownkicker]

Well, johnforbes weighs in with his position that he is unwilling to do anything about gun violence, but he sure as hell is going to complain about it like a little partisan whiny bitch.

Who's next?

[johnforbes]

Moi.

[Clownkicker]

Oui, VOUS, bête.


johnforbes should read Gore Vidal's Messiah.

Then perhaps he wouldn't be so blasé about his mindless support for Trump.

[johnforbes]

Entre nous, Clown's posting left me feeling ennui.

[Clownkicker]

Ce que johnforbes ressent c'est 'l'ignorance' qui coule sur sa jambe.

[johnforbes]

Merde!

[Clownkicker]

Yeah, johnny, why do you keep shoveling it?

[johnforbes]

Unlike Democrats, I know one end of a shovel from the other.

[Clownkicker]

So you shovel shit just because you can?

Criminy, what a partisan douche bag.

[johnforbes]

The stock market was crushed today, and it is pouring rain. And now Clowntroller posted some mean words.

I am weeping openly and reading Shelley's "Stanzas Written in Dejection, Near Naples."

[Clownkicker]

Yeah, that one hit home, didn't it.

A sudden self-awareness of your wasted shit-shovelling life can be a bitch, can't it, dummy.

[johnforbes]

We've all read the sad reports chronicling Clowntoker's recent trip to Spain:


"The man told doctors he’d had two doses of the Pfizer “vaccine”and did not use condoms (which we know can prevent HIV) while enjoying a sex-fest in Spain June 16–20. The Journal of Infection reported that the “patient tested positive for HIV-1 and, given his preserved CD4+ lymphocyte count, we could assume that the infection was relatively recent.”
It was also the second time the double-vaxxed man had contracted COVID-19, the first being in January 2022. He tested negative for HIV in September 2021 and positive for syphilis in 2019.

I’ll Be Seeing You in All the Old, Familiar Places

The report states the hapless Bromeo broke out with lesions in the places you’d expect. “On physical examination, his body was dotted, including the palm of the right hand and the perianal region, with skin lesions in various stages of progression, ranging from small vesicles (Fig. 2, Panel A) to reddened haloed pustules (Fig. 2, Panel B and Panel C) and umbilicated plaques.”

[Clownkicker]

It's surprising that johnforbes would post that disease-ridden scenario as something he sees as "the Republican dream" (which this thread is about) but he could be right.

They stand for far worse scenarios.

[brandon]

Republicans are already suitably armed... to the teeth. So are Democrats. A much more accurate and non-partisan thread would have been one pointing out that there is a serious problem among older white men, instead of smearing them as blood thirsty murderers. Of course their deaths are gun deaths, but the assertion that they are responsible for urban mass shootings and gun violence on the street and that everyone is living in fear of them is just silly.

[Clownkicker]

Okay, let's try this again, shall we. I wouldn't want partisanship to stifle a vibrant discussion:

Here is what the world will look like with gun laws as they are and everyone is suitably armed:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mma_uf ... li=BBnb7Kz

This is a nonpartisan thread. You may now discuss what solutions you are going to support to mitigate the problem of gun violence in America, whether involving suicide or assault and battery on others.

Let the mad rush of constructive, nonpartisan ideas from brandon and johnforbes begin, explaining how they will continue to arm everyone and still reduce the unacceptable level of gun violence in America.

I'm holding my breath...I can't wait...

[johnforbes]

It was my observation in the military that, when ammo is issued, people are polite.

One of senile Joe's many terrible ideas was that of gun-free zones. Alas, criminals and psychopaths don't obey the law.

[Clownkicker]

So your only proposal is to have the government issue more ammo to all gun owners?

And that will reduce gun violence....how?

We see the level of gun violence with the current level of ammo in the hands of gun owners.

Do you honestly think if you give those people more ammo that things will improve?

Get serious, johnny.

[brandon]

Link is not working for me.

[Clownkicker]

Use the link in the OP.

[johnforbes]

If it is true that Clowntroller got monkeypox from Beta Beto, then I shall be polite as he struggles

[Clownkicker]

Every time johnforbes gets caught making a fool of himself because he has nothing to contribute to the topic at hand, he can only resort to his asinine personal attacks.

Despite all of the ammo he possesses, he still can't any respect from anyone.

He's just another loudmouthed partisan douche bag.

And I tried so hard to make this a nonpartisan thread.

[johnforbes]

I have a dream.

I dream that one day the sons of hard-working freedom-loving people can sit down and discuss politics with
socialist wimps such as Clowntroller.

I see that dream, shimmering upon a distant hill.

[Clownkicker]

I have a dream that one day johnforbes won't be such a fucking hypocritical asshole.

Let's take a look at his last attempt to "discuss politics" shall we?

"If it is true that Clowntroller got monkeypox from Beta Beto, then I shall be polite as he struggles"-Dishonestjohn


johnforbes is literally incapable of discussing politics. For example, as we see here, he has nothing whatsoever to contribute on the topic of gun violence. All he does is make a fool of himself by regurgitating propaganda from his handlers, and when it is shown that he's nothing but a gullible partisan tool of his handlers, instead of gratitude for being enlightened about his childish gullibility, like a four year old brat he resorts to personal attacks against the person who showed him to be the gullible partisan tool he is.

Sadly, I see that futile dream in the fetid cesspool that is johnforbes' useless mind.

[johnforbes]

Actually, the honorable Mr Forbes has contributed his usual deeply insightful commentary.

What foments peace is legal citizens carrying.

Chicago has the strictest gun laws in America, and every weekend it is awash in violence.

Having won this argument without breaking a sweat, Mr Forbes rests his case and awaits Clown's apology.

[Clownkicker]

Actually, the dishonorable Mr Fibs has contributed his usual deeply insightful commentary, which is none at all.

It is utter nonsense to claim that if everyone carries a gun there will be less gun violence. johnforbes needs to follow the science which shows that the level of gun violence is directly related to the number of guns in a society. The more guns, the more gun violence. Simple as that.

Once again johnflubs has made the case that existing gun laws, regardless of how 'strict' they might be, are inadequate to reduce gun violence.

Having won this argument without breaking a sweat because dimwit johnny made my case for me, I will no longer expect any lucid, relevant comments on the topic from Dishonestjohn.

[johnforbes]

Thanks to Clowntroller for his graceful acknowledgement that his "argument" was tissue-thin and impossible to sustain.

Discussing this matter did lower the IQ of Mr Forbes by 30 points, but he had plenty to spare when jousting with the tiny cognitive appartatus of Clown.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, throwing out irrelevant platitudes that are transparently wrong is not "discussing the matter."

But yes, undoubtedly your impotent response did lower your IQ.

[johnforbes]

Thanks to Clowntroller for admitting that the august Mr Forbes does indeed have to lower his IQ to speak with Clown.

But noblesse oblige is part of his ethic.

[Clownkicker]

Thanks to johnforbes for admitting his posts consist of low IQ content.

What he can't grasp (in his low IQ stupidity) is that no one wants him to make his ignorant posts that contribute nothing to the discussion of the topic.

It's like being forced to sit in on his tedious special education classes where he spent his childhood.

[johnforbes]

No, I never attended any special classes, and did not even go to kindergarten.

My childhood was spent doing manual labor, which included working with migrant fruit-pickers, which accounts for my conversational Spanish.

Clown did not pick fruit, but instead became a fruit.

[Clownkicker]

As I said, thanks to johnforbes for admitting his posts consist of low IQ content.

This includes his child-like lie that I never picked fruit when that is what I did for money all summer, every summer, from the age of nine.

It also includes his self-delusional projection of his own proclivities that blossomed in his 'R&R' days in the Frisco bath houses.


Now we will have to endure yet another of johnforbes' low IQ responses further proving his low IQ...