[johnforbes]

a statement in response, Hawley said: “President-elect Biden has just compared me and another Republican Senator to Nazis. You read that correctly. Think about that for a moment. Let it sink in. Because I raised questions in the format prescribed by the laws of the United States about the way elections were conducted in the state of Pennsylvania, just as Democrats did about other states in 2001, 2005, and 2017, he is calling me a Nazi.”

“This is undignified, immature, and intemperate behavior from the President-elect. It is utterly shameful. He should act like a dignified adult and retract these sick comments. And every Democrat member of Congress should be asked to disavow these disgusting comments,” he added.

[Clownkicker]

johnforbes starts another thread with another lie.

Biden, of course, didn't "compare Repubs to Nazis" as johnfibs is well aware.

Biden said Trump (ONE particular Republican) was "sort of like Goebels" (one particular Nazi propagandist) which is true. Trump IS sort of like Goebbels using the same propaganda techniques he learned from Roy Cohn.

But whatever johnfibs tries to pretend, "Trump" is not "Repubs"--he's one guy--and Goebbels is not "Nazis"--he's one guy who was a propagandist.

On top of that, notice johnforbes couldn't deny the truth of Biden's statement. He didn't even try because he knows a minuscule amount of WWII history and he knows Trump is sort of like Goebbels. Simple as that.

And johnforbes admires Trump for it. Draw your own conclusions about johnforbes. (To his friends, johnny is known as "Neo" for short.)

[johnforbes]

To be fair, Joe Briben is a dolt who was suspended from law school for plagiarism.

Didn't even know a person could do that, get back in, and go on. But set that aside.

Biden also had to withdraw for plagiarism from a prior presidential run.

So, let's face it, the most history Joe Briben ever read was on a cereal box.

In other words, he is a serial cereal liar.

[Clownkicker]

What did I tell you? johnforbes couldn't refute a thing I said so he tries to distract from his lie with irrelevant bullshit.

And Trump IS sort of like Goebbels. Biden was absolutely correct.

I wonder why johnforbes gets so upset about some plagiarism but doesn't care at all that Trump is perpetrating lies on a daily basis, including saying the election was stolen, which AG Barr, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, the FBI, all Republican Secretaries of State in the disputed states, and all Republican Legislatures in those states deny this is the case.

With lies of that magnitude from Trump (and the resulting threat to our national security) I think johnfibs needs to get his priorities straight.

[johnforbes]

Come on, Clown, those are lies and you know it.

Barr said he didn't see enough to appoint a Special Counsel to look into Biden corruption.

But let's ask what there is -- the son of Joe Briben, who flew at least 6 times on Air Force 2, entered business deals shortly after his father did diplomatic meetings overseas.

Ray Charles could see the fraud and corruption in the 2020 election and in the Bidens.

[Clownkicker]

Believe it or not, dimwit, Hunter entering into business with foreigners is not "Election Fraud." What planet do you live on?

If Sessions couldn't make a case against Hunter and Barr couldn't make a case against Hunter, then maybe there is no there there. What do you think, counselor? You should get right on it if you disagree with them.

How can you consider some of the most conservative Trump supporters in the Republican Party to be traitors involved in a vast conspiracy to elect Biden? Who do you trust, johnny, if you don't trust Republicans?

Why do you always slither away silently when confronted with that simple question?

[johnforbes]

Mais non.

I quite present to note that Sessions and Barr were Deep State and did nothing with mounds of evidence.

Strzok, Page, Ohr, Comey, McCabe, Priestap, plus Brennan and Clapper who both told wild tales to Congress, there was plenty of evidence.

But I agree that Sessions and Barr were effectless, and really not much better than partisan clowns Holder and Lynch.

[Clownkicker]

Well, johnforbes slithered away AGAIN just as I said he would, and right after he said he was present.

Let's try this again...

johnny, how can you consider some of the most conservative Trump supporters in the Republican Party to be traitors involved in a vast conspiracy to elect Biden? Who do you trust, johnny, if you don't trust Republicans?

[johnforbes]

Clown, stop thinking in cartoons.

Few of Trump's supporters ever considered themselves to be fairthful Republicans.

Trump stood for economic nationalism , for personal freedom, a secure border, an America First foreign policy.

Biden stands for globalism, socialism, open borders, higher taxes, tighter controls on personal freedom, eroding the Second Amendment, and supporting tech Nazis like the tech kids Zuck and Dorsey.

Repubs like McConnell and Paul Ryan were and are creatures of the DC Swamp and hated Trump.

Toomey of PA, Romney, Loeffler, Murkowski, Collins...these are Deep State weasels who care nothing about what Trump stood for.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, stop thinking Looney Tunes.

"Few of Trump's supporters ever considered themselves to be fairthful[sic] Republicans."-johnfuckingcrazy

You are saying William Barr is not a faithful Republican.

You are saying Mitch McConnell is not a faithful Republican.

You are saying Lindsey Graham is not a faithful Republican.

You are saying Jeff Sessions is not a faithful Republican.

You are saying Amy Coney Barrett is not a faithful Republican.

You are saying Brett Kavanaugh is not a faithful Republican.

You are saying Neil Gorsuch is not a faithful Republican.

You are saying that Brian Kemp is not a faithful Republican.

What you are saying is that since the most Republican of Republicans aren't "faithful" Republicans, then Trump is the ONLY faithful Republican. And that's just insane.

And that isn't hyperbole, dummy. It's INSANE. It's living-in-an-alternate-universe insane. And enough with the "Deep State Conspiracy to put Biden in the White House" crap too. Geezus Fucking Cryst you're a ignorant simpleton.



"Trump stood for economic nationalism , for personal freedom, a secure border, an America First foreign policy."-johnfibs

Let me fix that for you, dummy...

Trump STANDS for protective tariffs (you know, the things that you are adamantly against when Democrats propose them) but couldn't negotiate any fairer trade deals in four years while costing average Americans billions of dollars a year, made no steps toward increasing personal freedom for anyone but himself, (he certainly did nothing for me or you. You made it up.) a foreign policy that gives global credibility to oppressive dictators without reducing nuclear threats (quite the opposite) as well as abandoning our allies around the world (which harms our national security,) and made us far less secure from cyber attacks from Russia and China.

Why do you support that sort of incompetence and nonsense, johnny?

[johnforbes]

On the Oregon Trail, you can still see today the ruts cut by wagon wheels in the sandstone.

Some of them are deep, but not as deep as the mental ruts in Clowntoker's ideology.

[Clownkicker]

As is always the case, when I am right and johnforbes can't refute a thing I said, he coughs up some witless bullshit to parade his low IQ and bore us all.

Why don't you answer my question, johnny? If you don't trust Democrats to run elections, and you don't trust Republicans to run elections, then who do you think should run our elections?

You must have a solution because you refuse to accept legally certified election results...mostly from Republican-run state election officials. The Republicans told you who won and you are still claiming fraud without any evidence of fraud, despite what Barr told you and Bolton told you and CISA told you and the conservative U.S. Supreme court told you.

[johnforbes]

The answer, of course, is that state law runs them.

In PA, Act 77 said 8pm Election Day was the deadline and, if violated, mail ballots were "void." The PA Sup Ct (dominated by elected Dems) extended that 3 days, but the US Constitution says only state legislatures can change that.

So PA, like GA and the rest, had an illegal election.

Another example: State laws in all swing states mandated bipartisan oversight of counting, which did NOT occur.

Fraud.

[Clownkicker]

"The answer, of course, is that state law runs them."-johnfibs

Don't be so stupid, johnny. Laws don't run anything, dimwit. Laws sit in books and don't do anything until human beings put them into effect.

Now, back to the effect I asked you about. Why are you so desperate to not answer this question? If you don't trust Democrats to run elections according to law, and you don't trust Republicans to run elections according to law, then who do you think should run our elections? Law can't do it by itself. It needs people.

Whose word will you accept, johnny? If you leave it up to "laws" to crawl out of their books and somehow set up voting booths, we would never have another election, ever.

[johnforbes]

Thanks to Clown for admitting that PA's election, like the one in GA, violated state law.

[Clownkicker]

I admit it, Georgia's election didn't violate state law. Numerous Republicans said so.

And PA's election didn't either. That's from the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, the highest level arbiter of PA state law.

What is your problem with Republicans and Judges, johnny?

And the Electoral College, for that matter.

Like all partisan dimwits, you couldn't care less about them until things didn't go your way this time. Then you piss and moan, parade your Confederate Flag, and destroy the Capitol.

It's time you stopped killing people and threatening to blow things up, johnny. The election has been certified and finalized, in spite of the traitorous Republicans who tried to stop the count even after they were herded away to hide from killer Trump supporters for their own safety.

Remember how there wasn't a peep out of you when the Democrats questioned this stuff four years ago? of course you don't. You suffer from hypocritical partisan selective memory.

[johnforbes]

Clown, you are totally wrong.

The PA Sup Ct (dominated by elected Dems) did indeed break the law by granting an extra 3 days.

PA's election law on mail ballots said 8pm Election Day and that it was all "void" if that was not adhered to.

The PA Sup Ct had ZERO AUTHORITY to change that and why?

Because the US Constitution gives that authority to the state legislature.

Ponder these concepts, and it is crystal clear that the PA election was illegal.

So was that in GA, WIsconsin, and Michigan, for different but similar reasons -- to wit, the STATE LEGISLATURE makes such decisions.

[Clownkicker]

So you're saying Republicans can't be trusted to run our elections, right?

That is the only conclusion to be drawn from your position on this.

I've asked you multiple times: If you don't trust Democrats to run our elections and you don't trust Republicans to run our elections, then who do you propose should run our elections?

You keep trying to weasel out of your untenable position on this, johnny.

[johnforbes]

Dem elected judges on the PA Sup Ct violated PA's election laws.

Same with GA's consent decree, which ended up violating GA's own law.

In Wisconsin, of course, there was a situation with absentee ballots with the same outcome -- violation of state law.

Look, Biden can't talk, or walk, he didn't campaign, sat in his basement, and couldn't draw any physical crowd and nobody could listen to his boring blather on livestream, so he did NOT get 80 million votes.

[Clownkicker]

"Dem elected judges on the PA Sup Ct violated PA's election laws."-johnfibs

Judges can't "violate election laws" dimwit. There is no election law that says judges can't decide election cases as they interpret the law.

Judges also can't "change" election laws. PA's election laws are still exactly the same as they were before the election.

What judges do is interpret the law as they see it. Doing so does not violate anything in the Constitution. The PA legislature still makes the election law in PA, as stated in the Constitution. The trouble is you don't happen to like the opinion of the PA Supreme Court. Well fine. I don't like a lot of opinions of the U.S. Supreme Court, but I live with them. And you must live with court decisions you don't like. That's who we are.

If the people of PA are upset with their election laws, then they can lobby their legislature to change them to something that can not be so easily misinterpreted. Until then, it is really none of your business. You live in Virginia.

I don't like the way laws are executed in a lot of states, but I live with them the same as you must.

Pennsylvania did not violate any federal election laws. If they violated their own election laws, that is for the people of PA to decide and to prosecute officials who may have violated those laws.

Regardless, your opinion of PA's election laws does not give you the right to attempt to violently overturn a national election. And don't say that Trump supporters were not there to do just that because there was nothing they could do to PEACEFULLY overturn the election results. It was a foregone conclusion at that point. It may have taken a few more hours for unhappy Trump supporters to air their grievances, but it was already decided. Violence was the only alternative available to Trump to overturn the election, so Trump loosed his simple-minded minions on the Capitol.

Wake up, johnny. It was planned by well-organized people who came prepared to do exactly what they did. They were told to "stand by" and that's just what they did until Trump told them to act.

[johnforbes]

Clown, I understand you didn't go to law school, but go back over what I posted before.

The US Constitution says where election authority is -- the state legislature.

What the PA Sup Ct did was clearly unconstitutional, and the main reason the US Sup Ct did not take the TX case was because they knew they would have to do things such as admit that PA, GA, and other states conducted illegal elections using covid as the pretext for mail ballots.

Jimmy Carter and James Baker agreed -- mail ballots were a recipe for fraud, and that is what Dems wanted to steal the 2020 election.

[Clownkicker]

"What the PA Sup Ct did was clearly unconstitutional, and the main reason the US Sup Ct did not take the TX case was because they knew they would have to do things such as admit that PA, GA, and other states conducted illegal elections using covid as the pretext for mail ballots."-johnflubs

Yes, johnny, we already know you hold judges in contempt. Even those appointed by Trump and Bush.

What I'm trying to tell you is it doesn't matter how you feel personally about their opinions or whether you would have decided the cases differently if you were on the bench.

You aren't. They are.

And we all must live by the opinions of our judges, like it or not, no matter how wrong they might be. Trump riots and insurrections are never acceptable. NEVER.

If you want to fund a recall election or impeachment of those judges, fine. Feel free to go make your case, johnny. Put your money where your mouth is. If you can't do that, then suck it up and go on with your life like the rest of America must.

But leave the us out of your sour-grapes, extremist, partisan, violent insurrections. And we don't want to listen to four years of you whining about how you don't want to abide by the decisions of our courts. We already know that so give it a rest already.

Trump lost fair and square. Every expert in the fields of law(Barr) security (Kemp) and elections (Republican Secretaries of State and Republican Governors) tells you so.

[johnforbes]

No, you still don't get it.

I don't agree with most rulings from the Dems who dominate the PA Sup Ct (with elected judges).

That's not the point.

The US Constitution controls this, and it says state legislatures control the date, time, and manner of elections.

The Founders felt state legislatures were closest to the people and should control this.

The PA Sup Ct was simply wrong, and they knew that, and they were politicians who did it.

But that's another reason the US Sup Ct lacked the backbone to take the TX case -- they KNEW PA and GA and WI et al, violated their own state election laws.

[Clownkicker]

No, you still don't get it.

The U.S. Constitution does not control this. It says the States control it, and they do.

PA controlled it, held their election as they saw fit, and certified the results according to their own rules as interpreted by the Supreme Court of PA. Your legal opinion of how they handled their election is irrelevant. (I would think you would be used to being irrelevant by this point in your life) The problem was presented to the PA Supreme Court (the final word in PA) and they ruled on it.

Now we must all live with it whether we like it or not. You don't get to stage an insurrection just because you're upset about your personal reading of PA State Law.

That's the point.

You don't get to just make up imaginary rules that other states must follow. Their own legislatures and courts do that as they see fit. They did. Not the U.S. government. Not you.

[johnforbes]

No, they did not control it

The election result was certified by the Dem Sec of State, and the Dem gov refused to call the legislature back into session when they wanted to decertify.

The PA Sup Ct had no authority to do what it did.

The US Sup Ct didn't grant cert in the TX case because it would have been forced legally to agree with the equal protection argument (which was at the core of Bush v Gore), and that would have helped Trump.

John Roberts, a Trump-hater, was reportedly screaming in the conference room that he didn't care about Bush v Gore and would not take the case.

[Clownkicker]

You're making my point for me, dimwit.

Pennsylvania decided its election by the rules they used. You don't have to like it and I don't have to like it. No one outside the state can tell them what rules they apply. Certainly not the Federal Government.

The election was certified and electors chosen. The electors voted. Biden won according to the electors.

Now, if the voters of Pennsylvania want to take their government to court or vote them out of office or lobby for new election laws, they can.

If they don't, they don't.

Either way, there's nothing you or anyone else not living in Pennsylvania can do about their vote.

It's over. Biden won.

(And even if Trump got all of Pennsylvania's votes, Biden would STILL win, so it's moot anyway you look at it.)

Stop whining, johnny. Nobody likes a poor loser. Suck it up and move on.

[johnforbes]

Clown, you still don't get it.

This is not about politics.

PA's Act 77, which allowed the mail ballots, specifically stipulated that the deadline was 8pm Election Day, and that if that was not conformed to the ballots were "void."

The US Consitution gives power solely to the state legislature.

Thus, when Dems in the PA Sup Ct and the Dem governor Wolf and the Dem Sec of State added on 3 extra days, they had NO AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.

This clarity is surely why the US Sup Ct did not take the case -- it would have had to have overturned PA and, as Roberts feared according to the source, Dems would have rioted.

But try to focus, in a non-partisan way, on what I posted above because it is correct.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, you still don't get it.

It doesn't matter what you think their laws say. It matters what the PA Supreme Court thinks their laws say and they said it. Why can't you get that simple fact through your thick head. You don't matter. It doesn't matter what you think about it.

The Constitution does not say that state election results may be challenged by the U.S. government if it appears they might have deviated from state law. If you think it does, then quote the actual words from the Constitution. You won't because you can't.


"The US Constitution gives power solely to the state legislature."-johnflubs

EXACTLY. What YOU think about their election results is irrelevant. The only people who have the standing to question certified election results in a particular state are citizens and the legislature of that particular state. Not Texans. Not Virginians. Not Trump. You're all wasting your breaths and harming America. No one wants to hear YOUR opinion of PA state election law. Your opinion is irrelevant.

Now when the Republican-led Pennsylvania General Assembly challenges the election results due to improper procedures, then get back to us. Until then, just shut up and spare us the sour grapes.


"Thus, when Dems in the PA Sup Ct and the Dem governor Wolf and the Dem Sec of State added on 3 extra days, they had NO AUTHORITY TO DO THAT."-johnflubs

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court didn't agree with you, johnny. And I think they are greater experts on Pennsylvania law than you are. Like it or not, the PA vote is certified and settled. You don't get to riot because you don't like what the judges said. You suck it up and move on.


But try to focus, in a non-partisan way, on what I posted above because it is correct.

[johnforbes]

Focus on what I said.

This post is NOT political in any way.

The US Constiution gives states legislatures the power -- NOT state Sup Cts, not governors, not secs of state.

PA's election was illegal, and nobody with a legal education even disputes that.

[Clownkicker]

Focus on what I said.

This post is NOT political in any way.

The US Constitution gives state legislatures the power and Pennsylvania's legislature made their election laws, as prescribed in the Constitution. At that point the U.S. Government is no longer involved. It has no jurisdction over the state election.

PA held its election. The PA Supreme Court upheld the election. The Secretary of State certified the election. The state appointed its electors. The electors voted.

What part of that is so hard for you to grasp? It's done. It's over. Biden won.


But let's pretend for a moment that what you think about the PA election matters. The U.S. Senate has certified the Electoral College vote and announced Biden is the winner.

Now, exactly what do you think ANYONE can do now to magically make Trump the winner?

Stop your pointless yammering about an "illegal" election in PA against the declaration of all those with standing in the state. Exactly what do you think ANYONE can do now to magically make Trump the winner?

[johnforbes]

No, Clown, that was NOT the sequence.

This is NOT about politics, but facts.

The PA Sup Ct extended voting for 3 days, but the US Constitution says only the state legislature can do that, and the state legislature already said 8pm Election Day was the deadline and, if that was violated, the whole mail procedure was -- focus on this word -- "void."

PA's election was illegal, and the US Sup Ct would have to have so found, and that was surely one reason they were loathe to take the case.

Yes, the 3 Repub "justices" Trump got on the Sup Ct were apparently all spineless on this too, although we are not certain who considered cert here.

[sillydaddy]

"...the whole mail procedure..."

So as I understand it, not only the votes filed during that three-day extension were void...but every mail-in vote, eh..!

[Clownkicker]

No, johnny, that was NOT the sequence.

This is NOT about politics, but facts.

"The PA Sup Ct extended voting for 3 days..."-joohnfibs

No, the PA Sup Ct did NOT extended voting for 3 days. You made it up, as you make up everything you post here.
The Court extended the delivery time for ballots voted by 8:00 p.m. on election day, as stated in PA election law.
They did not change PA law.

Trump had sabotaged the U.S. Postal System in order to slow down mail deliveries for this very reason--to try to steal the election from Pennsylvania voters. When it was clear the Postal Service could no longer deliver mail on time because of Trump's sabotage, the PA Court extended the delivery time for ballots in order to give the crippled Postal Service time to deliver the ballots. The court did not extend voting, dummy. You made it up.

Now, what you still don't understand is that it doesn't matter that you think the PA election was illegal. What matters is the PA supreme DIDN'T think it was illegal, and they settle the matter of PA election law execution when it was disputed in court.

That means just because consider yourself an armchair lawyer who never passed the PA Bar, you opinion is still irrelevant.

And the U.S. Senate has now certified the Electoral College vote, which means it's settled. All your disgruntled yammering won't change that fact. All your insistence that the PA election is illegal is moot. All your pissing your pants over the grave injustice of the guy who got 6 million fewer votes not continuing as President is irrelevant.

The U.S. Supreme Court didn't take the case and you need to live with that too. If you are unhappy that Trump didn't hire "the best people" for the Court and instead hired spinless people, then that's on Trump and you should blame him for it, not PA or Democrats or the rest of us.

But you will continue to whine and cry because you hold judges in contempt unless they decide things to your liking. But we must all live by the decisions of our courts and not riot and kill people just because you are unhappy with the way you read some law you don't understand.

When it's over, it's over--like it or not. You move on. You don't riot.