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By SomeDude
#80679
I've not looked at the site in a long time, but I see the same fakers are still at it. Damon keeps clicking "approve" without thinking. Ramya copies and pastes from other sites and right now stands to win $600 for a laughably edited set. Why is http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... ian-beauty" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; so bizarrely blurred? To cover the scribblings that were on the http://xvideos.porncache.net/profiles/r ... 629/kavita" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (they can be found on xossip - like everything by Ramya can - but the xvideos version is easier to compare.

Why does this site not shut down the posters that keep flooding with fakes?
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By mandadees
#80907
Awe, That makes it hard on everyone else too.


:cry:
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By Thumper
#81074
The fakers don't make anything hard for me.

But you do, Manda! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :mrgreen:
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By FastFive
#81514
Gotta' agree with SomeDude on this one... the fact that the site does nothing to stop RAMYA from uploading sets (several per week, ALL of which are fake and easily found with just one or two clicks) proves they really don't give a shit. :roll:

His latest is stolen from here: http://www.xvideos.com/profiles/milfass ... ife_ever_1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (as are several others I'd imagine, given the size of the gallery)
By SomeDude
#82509
I'm with you, Manda. Comments, attention and votes are a somewhat fixed resource and having endless fakes at the top robs the real and original stars of the site - like you.

Right now, #2 "Sharing my hot sister in law" in PS has a bullshit story and is pro porn star Lilith Lust: http://www.coedcherry.com/galleries/106547" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Wife's sister and a spontaneous shoot, my ass.

#9 "Shaved and posed" isn't a pro that I recognize, but it's https://smutr.com/p/951/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; http://www.dumparump.com/gallery.php?gid=ry89en1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and more.

http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... -time-nude" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; isn't her first time. This is pro cam girl http://www.kyliecole.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Everything by Deborah Lynn White and Craig White is the same girl and those pics have been all over, such as http://nudewives.pornlog.co/2014/05/24/ ... rs-milf-2/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wildwoman14 used to be Arlene or SwingSlut when they went around years ago ala http://amateurblogs.eroprofile.com/free ... 010/24462/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hypermaster is next in line for copy/pasting Indian ladies from the same sites. See the rest at http://www.desislutgirls.org/indian-nak ... eaked.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (Why are Indians disproportionally copied here?)

Likewise, Desi Sex posts are all web rips . http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... isha-naked" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
is http://nakednepaligirl.com/desi-naked-b ... porn-pics/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and more

Likewise sexqueen000 is all stolen. This is http://www.kamdevi.com/indian-housewife ... 05/15.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and more. Maybe the RAMYA and that other guy (which I always suspected were the same guy...) are now just making new accounts for each set they copy.

Aubrey's Sister's story seems improbable, but the pics are https://www.uploadporn.pics/porn/album/0ZR" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and his other contri is http://www.personalclips.com/photos/alb ... llery.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lucinda Clifton is "lclifton" or "Lucy Clifton" on other sites.

These are just the ones that caught my eye as looking familiar/suspicious enough to double-take. There is enough stuff copied from other sites that it's really hard to find REAL posters here any more.
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By mandadees
#82815
Thanks SomeDude,

I appreciate all the checking you do!

XO
By SomeDude
#91186
You real ladies need to have a fit. Does nobody else look at any other sites and recognize these fakers? Right now, the #1 spot is cropped from another site...but that shouldn't be surprising because the other contri by that poster is also fake.

Bed Number 21 has the logo cropped from http://sexs-foto.com/v-ochkah/2040-ochk ... -foto.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
At Home is less flagrant, but it's used by an awful lot of what looks to be russian escorts: http://prostitutkivspb.info/devushka-1482.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just Bob's Three Selfies "friend" from an "internet dating site" happens to be Ashley Osuna http://www.imagefap.com/pictures/4068305/Ashley-Osuna" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; - and nobody calls it out. All 330 of his posts have bullshit stories and are copied from the web. How does he still have an account?

dex33's post is http://www.pornhugo.com/album/6945217/asses-oops-284" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So in PS alone, 3 of the top 15, including #1, are probably fakes.

The first row of five pics of PS, three are recognizable:
Emily might be his girlfriend, but that cosplay has been around the web a LOT: http://imgur.com/r/cosplaygirls/kuBf4Id" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Meena is cropped and flipped from https://xhamster.com/photos/gallery/bus ... rl-7726089" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and others
Fiona is all over the web, like http://www.imagefap.com/photo/279770480 ... ge=0&idx=4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... and all his contris are easy to find on the web


Is VW propping up sagging contributions by allowing this crap to go on? Is the site in on it, posting fakes so they don't have to pay as much out?
By SomeDude
#91833
You've got to be kidding. In PS, last month's winners #1 is deeply questionable and #2 is simply bogus.

"Julia" is on numerous other sites. https://picmir.nu/pub/500097/and" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; https://russiasexygirls.com/260380/bust ... le-in-bed/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and http://www.imagefap.com/pictures/634858 ... By-Spektro" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; OTOH, that account is at least consistent with one lady so maybe it's not copy-paster but it's not probably original/exclusive to recycle year old shots even if you DID take them.

I already demonstrated that "Bed Number 21" is logo cropped from other sites and the other contri from that account is also of questionable origins.

Anna(3), Gordon Earle, and others need to be staging an uprising.
By Merlin52
#91854
Yet people keep coming back. I often attempt to start better things, and in fact started a site to address some of the concerns of participants, but it is receiving little to no attention.
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By honora
#91938
It has been a few years but a fit was thrown, and it's been made obvious that the owners don't care. I don't understand the indifference. It seems they have turned a blind eye from effectively running the site. If they are going to allow all these fake contributions then they need to change their site description as not being amateur for starters.
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By honora
#91940
And all these stolen pics and videos are just a mess; it's a joke to get VW to even reply let alone take any action. :roll:
By Merlin52
#91953
It has caused a drop in their rank, but I'm guessing they make a lot of money from the traffic regardless. Maybe if the contributors went on strike, but they may also be able to live on stolen photos.
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By FastFive
#91980
honora wrote:It has been a few years but a fit was thrown, and it's been made obvious that the owners don't care. I don't understand the indifference. It seems they have turned a blind eye from effectively running the site. If they are going to allow all these fake contributions then they need to change their site description as not being amateur for starters.
Two things: Yes, fakes could drive up the traffic numbers. Also, fakes don't require payouts.

Let's say they're letting the fakes in... they rank high each month, and then at the end of the month the person that submitted can't prove who they are so VW doesn't have to cut a cheque.
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By mrdangerous
#91997
If someone would like to start a private forum full of contributions from Honora and Mandadee, I'm all in. :D
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By rugrollers
#92194
New erotic sites are virtually impossible to get off the ground, sadly. Even when you already have content, contributors, and long experience, as I G O R did when he broke away from VW in 2012, it can easily fail. What is needed here is all the leading contributors joining together to get word to the owner that the site is being badly mismanaged, before it is too late. Getting contributors mobilized has always been a heavy lift, though. We managed a little bit of it with the discussion of site improvements after the 2012 schism, while Kiki was running the RCBB (EXBB) -- you can still find those discussions in the forum there. But the bosses wouldn't follow contributors' recommendations and Kiki ultimately got fed up and quit. It's been downhill ever since.

Has anyone over here noticed that they've been slashing prize money for the past couple of years? It is now 60% lower than in 2014. Although they still claim to offer $25,000 per month as they did back then, bizarrely. I guess they don't believe in math, like some US politicians. So the site is probably in a death spiral. Before the 2012 collapse, the free VW site ranked around #2500 worldwide on Alexa. Last I checked it was #14,289. RedClouds has dropped from around 13,000 to now #62,968. HomeClips from 25,000 to #103,849. Revenue must be taking a big hit.
By Merlin52
#92332
They are not paying attention to the contributors either, they can probably run just as well on stolen content.

Also if it were possible to get a group of contributors together, it would be easy to get the new site running.
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By NudeNirvana
#92351
I'm still a newbie here....posting since June 2017. This is an interesting thread. We are real and we are amateurs. Last month, July 2017 we placed 4th in the "Nude in Public" with our contri "Hotel Hallway Surprise" with a winner's prize of $200 and not a word on payout yet. Not even an email acknowledgement of winning, that's a little strange to me as we "contributors" pay our Redclouds membership, provide content for free (we have uploaded 34 different posts so far, with over 1,000,000 views) and yet not even an email yet from the VW payout administrator. Hopefully an admin is reading this and will investigate and handle the monthly payout promptly.

http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... y-surprise" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ADMIN, any update please ??????????
By Merlin52
#92387
I don't think they read this board, probably have to contact them directly.

At one time this site had an Alexa rating of of something like 8, now it is 14k. They seem to be content to cruise on what was built in the past, but that doesn't really serve the contributors.
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By pussy4all
#92399
Please keep us updated about any payout news NudeNirvana. I'll pause uploading new content meanwhile.
B.t.w. I like your outdoor series' in what looks like Arizona or some place similar.

Back onto the subject of fakers: I've also noticed some Eva's Garden en Met-Art photos on this site. They're relatively easy to check if you use the "search by image" feature in Chrome.
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By 327retro
#92402
There have been many a time that we have ranted. Rock (rock climber) where ever he is stumbled on here 2 maybe 3 years before the crash and became quite an asset to the boards.

COFF was the meeting place and conversations ran the gamut from A to Z, it got hard to follow at times. Some of us were talking cars etc. not even thinking I could start a new trend, mentioned we need a place to talk about this stuff. Next thing you know GearHead's was up. Jbe, started Groaner Jokes, sick puppy he is. :)

After the VW crash, Rock set up a site for the regulars here keeping most of us together. At times it was a bit hard to navigate, but...

After the rocky revival of VW as Rugrollers mentioned, if not for Kiki this site, in my opinion, wouldn't have come this far. That Lady was a Trooper to get thing going again. Miss her and wish the best for whatever she is doing. Then Rock, some how was able to bring almost all our past stuff back with a minor name change.

Rock actually met with the people of VW and presented years of complaints and thoughts to the main people. Well here we are. Some improvements on the contri side, yet the trolls aren't dispatched. Flag them and report them doesn't seem to work. Coming down on the boards seems to be a bother for the administration. Many others and myself, have made the argument that the free side and these boards are the gateway to the pay side. If ladies are chased away from the free side, they certainly won't go to the pay side.

Whether one may like a body type over another, just shut up and move on, don't vote, or make a constructive comment about background, lighting, Maybe a pose. This is an armature site. Well suppose to be. No need to be an ASS unless one is willing to prove it.

The Russians before the crash certainly flooded the site with lovely ladies. Slave ladies most likely...

There are people here on the boards, that do monitor other sites and thankfully catch the fakes,and others. I do hope VW is not paying them. As Rugrollers mentioned. I'm not distressed that payment have gone down. It should be about the ladies and having fun, nothing more. Having site such as this is expensive to run. But ignoring the gateway is a huge mistake.

I have mentioned Rock for good reason, been long winded as I have a bad habit of doing, we have been working on this problem for a long time. And Rock has gone above and beyond a Yeoman's work.

Haven't heard from this good friend in a while, after some of his meetings. Some Fathers of the original COFF have gotten fed up. Recon it's up to us to keep up the fight for positive change. At least contact some admin directly.

My apologies,

Love Ya'll
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By 327retro
#92407
NudeNirvana wrote:I'm still a newbie here....posting since June 2017. This is an interesting thread. We are real and we are amateurs. Last month, July 2017 we placed 4th in the "Nude in Public" with our contri "Hotel Hallway Surprise" with a winner's prize of $200 and not a word on payout yet. Not even an email acknowledgement of winning, that's a little strange to me as we "contributors" pay our Redclouds membership, provide content for free (we have uploaded 34 different posts so far, with over 1,000,000 views) and yet not even an email yet from the VW payout administrator. Hopefully an admin is reading this and will investigate and handle the monthly payout promptly.

http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... y-surprise" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ADMIN, any update please ??????????
Do inquire with a message directly to VW and ask what's up. This is not a new problem. Personally I think you should have been # 1. but there are may different tastes here. Trolls not withstanding. You are a Very Lovely Woman in my not so humble opinion.

I think you are worth more than just mere prize money. Your beauty exceeds all expiations. Thanks NN and hubby.
By SomeDude
#92426
NudeNervana and Honora, I'm glad to see you pop in. (Hell, I'm glad to see YOU.) Since this has gone unchecked so long, reporting it is futile, and even calling them out on it doesn't change anything, I think we've called it. The site creates a few fake accounts, fakes contris from around the web to stuff the top spots so they even bother to pretend paying those. They let new posters like NN post, not realizing the deck is stacked, declare them as winners, but not actually write checks. The forum is full of posters that aren't paid.

In fact, I'm calling bullshit right now on the current #1 winner in PS.

http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... 3-last-try" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; is currently #1. The girl has been around the net under different names like Agnes at MetArtor Emily. She's also known as Cindy, Sindy, Emily, Claire, and Veronika.

http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... 3-last-try" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; is from the set. Notice how every picture is cropped slightly at the bottom. For example, where she's sitting on the bench, notice the Eurotica logo at the bottom and the bench, while the image stops just short of that here. That shoot has otherwise leaked Safe to call that one busted. Is this poster chronic? Five contris. One down.

Hungary goes back to 2014. Looks like it's from Sexplaza or here. Again. notice that all the crops stop at the bottom where the logo is.

http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... n-in-there" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; was under the name Veronica or Cindy or more[/url[ ...and you can bet that "More Galleries" will be future content. Again, everything is cropped at the top.

http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... st-for-you" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; is [url=http://www.pinkfineart.com/petites-pari ... tte/50534/] from 2010
or here and, again, cropped.

http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... my-old-car" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; can be found as far back as 2008 or here or http://www.labatidora.net/gallery/agnesevas300608/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

OK. All five contris trivially proven to be web crops. I don't know what percentage of them won. I don't know why this site has viewers (maybe they're fake, too - bots arguing about shaven or hairy or tatted or not are easy ] that don't recognize pro porn. Even if viewers don't, Damon sure should. "But they're my photos" Nobody can look at the cropped watermarks this many times and believe that. Certainly the front page promise that "All the models displayed on our network are 100% exclusive and can't be found elsewhere on the internet!" is false.

I seriously believe this site is propping up whatever paying membership it has by either posting fakes itself or turning a blind eye to them to drive up viewership while not paying the top slots and paying as little of the actual original material (and thank you if that's you) as possible. Not all of the "winners" are even pro shoots, but the fakes have gone on for years and flagging them, calling them in the comments, and even theses forum posts just doesn't change, so they have to be in on it as they're certainly not discouraging chronic fakers.
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By WishboneDream
#92583
Great research, agree with you "Somedude" - she's a professional, images are likely stolen and added to voyeurweb as a "fake contri" and I don't know why ADMIN does nothing to take down her postings on this site, unless they want her to win so they don't have to payout (likely a fake account). Manipulation going on here folks!
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By NudeNirvana
#93248
Good research here by Pussy4All and SomeDude!

It's Sparky commenting here: Anyone reading this, hate to burst your bubble everyone, but EssexMilf (#3 on Freestyle) is NOT an amateur! This contri has violated the terms of the Voyeurweb contest which indicates all models are 100% amateur and not seen anywhere else. All pics are "Exclusive" first to Voyeurweb. EssexMilf is a professional model, her name is Tess from Southern Charms website and you can see this series of pics posted several years ago at: http://www.southern-charms4.com/tess/photos.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This was emailed to Voyeurweb several days ago and yet no response at all and EssexMilf is still showing as #3 with a $150 winning payout. Her post should be deleted!

Nude Nirvana may just stop posting to this site, the fun is gone when hackers with stolen pics, pro models and pro photographers pollute this 100% Amateur site!! - Sparky
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By 327retro
#93265
Sparky and NN,

I sincerely hope you won't go away for a problem that has been since a few years after this site has started. As you may have noted from my dissertation a week or so ago here, this is a painfully slow process of canning the fakes and trolls.

You have to ask yourselves, are your here to have some fun with friends, or just in it for the prize money? There are dozens of sites that offer money that never pay out. If monetary is your goal you will be sadly disappointed at every turn. Some progress has been made as now you can delete the trolls on the free side. Something I think should be explained more clearly to contributors.

My big problem has always been, the free side is the gateway to the pay side. Yet the free side is the least of there concern in all aspects. I have been on some pay sites and other than controlling some of the trolls and fakers it's difficult to gain any monetary compensation.

I noticed one contributor on freestyle, issik-kul Seaside Fun, Aug 24 2017. Tell me what you think. Stolen says I. Granted there at some fin amateur photographers such as you Sparky. To me, this is a lovely woman. Yet I see this as 35 mm film and it isn't Kodak with the color saturation.

I truly hate to see your go NN. You are a very lovely woman. It is after all your choice as to why you are here.

Wonderful weekend.

Grumpy
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By NudeNirvana
#93267
Hi Grumpy, great to hear from you. You nailed it perfectly. And yes the contri below is a professional photographer with professional model which violates the rules of the Voyeurweb contest which states 100% exclusive content to Voyeurweb and amateurs can only win awards. Yet so many of the pros arrive in the final week of the contest and really dupe the viewers (because we're all a sucker for a sexy pro porn model, especially after seeing amateurs for the first 24 days of the month).

Just watch, in the final week of the month, all the pros will be uploading their pics - some of them even stolen from other porn sites. It really ruins the integrity of the site. And it's insulting to the amateur ladies who have the courage and desire to post their own pics and try to contend with the sexy pros.

Also, in my opinion, Voyeurweb should consider lack of any involvement on the VW or RC bulletin boards by the pros as indication as to their intent. Most of them have ZERO friends on their profiles too! They are not here to build friends, only to try to win the payout. To answer your question, we enjoy posting Nirvana's pics as a fun outlet as we've gotten older. After so many years of marriage it's a hobby that we can share together with me taking her pic and she reading the fun comments.

Anyway, back to the contri below.....I say pro photog with pro model and a lot of photoshop with color saturation and fake backdrops too. I appreciate a beautiful woman but this is not the site to view the pros. Would love to hear other's opinions.... - Sparky

http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... easide-fun" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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By FastFive
#93271
NudeNirvana wrote:Anyway, back to the contri below.....I say pro photog with pro model and a lot of photoshop with color saturation and fake backdrops too. I appreciate a beautiful woman but this is not the site to view the pros. Would love to hear other's opinions.... - Sparky

http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... easide-fun" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I wouldn't say "pro" photographer.... any actual professional wouldn't be so ham-fisted in making an "outdoor" shoot look like it was lit in a studio. :roll:
By Merlin52
#93288
Also makes me feel like I need to duck and cover since I am a semi-pro photographer.

I think the problem is more with thieves. Probably a fair representation by porn stars or promoters.
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By rugrollers
#93706
Many of you in this thread may not pay much attention to the paywall and video contests, but there’s a lot of scamming going on over there too. I had noticed it more since we posted on HomeClips a year ago and recently decided to investigate further.

Here’s what I found:

1) There is a contributor, JamesD, who has posted nearly 100 pics and vids of at least 20 different women since the site crash in 2012, across all the different contests, at a pretty steady clip of 15-20 per year. Most of his models do some hardcore, faces showing, and most contris are variants on a few stereotypical male fantasies (pizza deliveryman, girls wanting anonymous sex or gangbangs, so on). Needless to say, he must be paying them. Quality is so-so and he doesn’t tend to win top prizes, netting maybe $1000 per year, so there’s no way his enterprise pays for itself. I figure either he is posting on multiple porn sites or he has a contract with VW. If anyone has alternate theories I’d be interested. You can check out some of his stuff in the links below.

2) There is a group of nearly ten accounts that seem to be centrally orchestrated. Several women appear in more than one of these accounts, and there are some pretty obvious stylistic similarities in their videos. They started with one account in 2014 but proliferated in 2016 and 2017. They’re mostly in the hardcore contests and do mostly video not photos. They also tend not to win top prizes but they pulled in upward of $6000 last year. Again, hardly enough to pay the number of women who feature in their contris. I think I’ve found the identity of one person involved in producing all of these. Does the name “Steve Massey” ring a bell with anyone? I did some internet searching but couldn't find anything.

So now I’d like to ask a favor of those on this thread who have demonstrated such great porn-site sleuthing skills—Pussy4All, SomeDude, anyone else who’s willing.

I’m no good at locating models across different porn sites, so if you’d be willing to have a look around for any of the following, I’m really curious as to whether these content providers are VW exclusive or not. Links below are mainly to photo sets, as I assume that’s easier to use for searching, and from free side where possible.

“Beth” posted by JamesD in the past couple of months, ranking #1 in HomeClips twice:
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... nip-cherry" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... ec-version" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“Emily” posted by JamesD earlier this year:
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... says-hello" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... prise-game" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“Kara” posted by JamesD 2013-2014 (more pizza deliveries!):
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... -pizza-boy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... 401-in-red" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“Naughty Eva” posted from three of the connected accounts, but only once on free side:
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... -the-woods" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.redclouds.com/contributions/ ... 50497-tied" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“CuteGirl” posted by Phil Anders the past year, but only one photo set, which is in RedClouds:
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... striptease" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.redclouds.com/contributions/ ... ied-to-bed" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.homeclips.com/contributions/ ... d-roleplay" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“Jasmine” posted over the past year by Nesbo and FetishMaster, only two photo sets, on RC:
http://www.redclouds.com/contributions/ ... and-fucked" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.redclouds.com/contributions/ ... -beautiful" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“Lacey” or “SexyC” posted by Nesbo and OrientalJade over past year, photos only on RC:
http://www.redclouds.com/contributions/ ... time-on-rc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“Carina” posted by OrientalJade:
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... -secretary" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“Jessica” or “JessP” posted by two accounts, all in paywall sections
http://www.redclouds.com/contributions/ ... -the-woods" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Now, what should be done about my findings (and anything further you may find) isn’t clear to me. But if there is any energy for a collective campaign against non-amateur content on the VW sites I’d be glad to join, and to try and mobilize those of our fans who’d be willing to help. I know it’s been tried before, but it seems like they are heading toward serious financial distress, judging from the constantly declining prize offerings. So maybe, just maybe, they would finally listen.
By SomeDude
#94104
Glad to see this "movement" picking up some steam instead of me just ranting like a crazy person. Thank you!

Our involvement with this site was never to make a dime. We don't have the goods for that. It was just a good time for us. But it's damned demotivational to be "beaten" on any given day by someone copying and pasting pro porn and trying to collect. What does he (or maybe she) get out of it if not prize winnings? No thrill of exposure or risk or talking to some sample of many thousands of people sharing a secret...

I've been here since the dial-up days when you could see the creases in the flatbed scans of this month's Playboy. People have *always* tried to game it. It's broken down into a couple of broad categories.
1) Actual contributors that are here and nowhere else.
2) Actual contributors that are here and www or occ or (now) Tumblr or such.
3) A little more pro than their PTA would like but that still know they're here. I <3 Elise, Freshman, Veronik, Nick2009 and more fall into that "OMG, were you really born that way with photographers that good?" category that defies belief..but that never are seen on another site. Dex33, Elise, Nick, and Gordon Earle leave this site better off, so OK. (Thankful, even.)
4) Probably scammers. Willem3 won last month with a girl we recognize as Katerina Hartlova. Can I find the he copied the pictures from elsewhere? No. Do I doubt she's ever heard of this site? Yep.
5) Dumbfuck losers in their moms basement copy/pasting pics from other sites and hoping to win. This is the category i've chosen to mock most openly in this (and many, many other) thread. RAMYA and Lucinda Clifton and everyone else that's just copying porn from other sites (while this site turns an eye) is just a huge turn-off. We've shown over and over again that the site doesn't care as long as it props up their ratiings.
By SomeDude
#94105
Rugrollers, you've seem to hit exactly upon that category of "too good to be true, but not so good that there are seventeen camera angles of that scene".

I didn't check every one. Those are all examples of Really Good Shots that are on the outer edge of amateur. You actually CAN be born amazing and with a friend with a greally good camera and skills. But I can't see that they're flagrantly copied from anywhere, either, so they bug me way less than some shot from FTV with the logo cropped out.

That's just me. If you have your own protest rampage - with proof - I'll totally get behind it.

Personally, I don't want to get so skeptical that every pretty woman is a fake. But if I see her as an amateur and reconigzer her, call foul, and see real amateurs "lose" to that, I get ill and want to do something about it.
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By Elise
#94336
This is a very interesting thread. I used to hang around the forums in the past and had lots of friends here, but after the crash and some nasty things that happened afterwards...I decided it was best to avoid interaction here. I think it's great that some people still care about keeping this site amateur. My husband and I have been sharing here for over 10 years. Granted, I have pulled some of my older contri's (again due to some nasty targeting that happened post VW crash...).

I'm actually thrilled to see that the European Model Mill has finally stopped posting here. I'm surprised that was never discussed on this thread... It was pretty obvious considering they all looked VERY SIMILAR and seemed to take the ranks in EVERY PHOTO section every single month. It was well orchestrated, but also IN YOUR FACE OBVIOUS for anyone paying attention.

I felt compelled to comment because I noticed my name was mentioned here. And yes, I am 100% amateur. My photographer is my husband. His training comes from "Photography for Dummies" books and my post photo processing skills come from online tutorials and lots of practice!

My personal experience is that VW (as currently run) is grossly understaffed and they simply don't have time to keep up with all the scammers. That being said, it's still frustrating for true amateurs who have loved this site and shared here for a very long time. I for one, don't want VW to fail. I want them to succeed!

Just wanted to chime in here. Keep up the great detective work all!
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By FastFive
#94377
Nice to see you pop in, if only for a quick visit, Elise. :D
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By rugrollers
#94395
Hi Elise,
We'd certainly love to have you as an ally in this, if we can figure out how to approach it. I was going to say in response to SomeDude that there's never been any doubt that you and your husband are real and amateurs, unlike some others he mentioned. We also started posting ten years ago, so I remember your early efforts. I don't know about the European Model Mill, can you provide a couple of examples?

SomeDude, thanks for your interesting and detailed comments. I will get back to you shortly with my thoughts. I do have a somewhat different perspective, maybe derived from our having been almost exclusively on HomeClips. Am I right to assume that your focus is the free/softcore sites?
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By Elise
#94398
Hi Rug Rollers,

The "Model Mill" I'm referring to is a cluster of models with obviously skilled photographer(s), similar (if not identical) camera settings, poses, photography sites, etc.. The models all have a very similar look (they only recently added a blonde or two to the cluster). Tall, very thin, fair skin, young, long dark hair. They started several years back, parading models through on a rolling cycle. Some of the models have been popular here and continue to be used by this group. If you pay close enough attention, you'll notice they take top ranks (sometimes top two ranks) in EVERY PHOTO SECTION. Some of the photo sets have been removed by admins (also strange - requested by the submitter?). Also, if you notice..these particular models have several different accounts for each model. They also have different user names for the same models (which I always thought was extremely strange).

Now I'm sure some people may try to argue that these are all "amateur" models. But low and behold, it's awfully strange that as soon as VW dropped their prizes a few times the entire group of these models disappeared at exactly the same time. Coincidence? I don't believe in coincidences.

I also remember back in the old VW days, a group like this was busted by the Hall of Fame guy (I refuse to mention his name, which starts with an "I"). They were banned back then, and I believe they came back full force after the site came back up under different administration. This administration either didn't care, or enjoyed the traffic this group of models brought to the site.

Below are a few samples (but this is just a small sub-set of the models):

http://www.redclouds.com/contributions/ ... oth-shaved" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... -eve-party" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... cret-party" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... de-on-road" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... ark-part-2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.redclouds.com/contributions/ ... ple-photos" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... sunny-days" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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By NudeNirvana
#94417
Hi Everyone, it's nice to see the interaction on this board. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and opinions Grumpy, Fastfive, Merlin, Rugrollers and Elise.

In my "opinion" it's fairly simple to see the chronic fakes and professionals. First, it's pretty clear they are only in it for the money. They don't care about building a loyal fan base or making the VW or Redclouds community fun. They post at end of the month and never interact on the bulletin boards throughout the other ~ 30 days in the month. They have few to no "friends" and they rarely accept a "friend request", just look at their profiles. The stories and descriptions are weak but the pictures are clearly professionally done and the models may or may not even know they are posted here. The poster is usually a professional photographer, that's clear to me. The pics are often overly posed with the model angles and photoshopped to eliminate wrinkles and soften the skin. When compliments are given on their pics, they never reply with any comment and they don't even "like" the reply to show the submitter that they've read it. And....these photographers never submit "instant tit or ass flash" for these models since those two sections are only for fun (no prize money there).

Elise is spot on! It's a model mill with a handful of pro photogs and VW is understaffed to police it. They may not even care since it's difficult to prove they are models and pros.

Here are some possible solutions: Do not award prize money to anyone who does not also participate in the VW or RC bulletin boards (it's about building a community and interaction), not just posting pics. Also, prohibit any submitter from winning the same category more than once every 12 months. Nobody gets rich here....it's annoying to see the same group of pro modesl or professionals photogs winning every month or every other month, and it feels like they scam the viewers as they portray themselves as amateurs.

The amateurs like me that are here to have fun would still post because we love sharing our pics.

Another idea is to weigh the submittals over the course of the entire month. Give some additional credit for posting early in the month. For example, the longer your contri is active that month, there could be a multiplier to the vote. Also, give credit to those of us who post the 10 full pic contris! Some of the submitters only post a handful of pics and yet the site allows for 10 pics....so credit should be given for a "full 10 pic contri".

Example: I could post a nice 10 pic contri and be in first or second place for the entire month and then lose the contest in the final 2-3 days of the month when the pro model / photogs upload their contri....(sometimes with only 6-7 pics) even though I have a full 10 pic contri and also have over 100,000-200,000 + more views.

I hope admin is reading this and take some of these ideas under consideration.

And remember, it's all about having fun.....the pro models and photogs ruin the amateur intent of this site. I believe men and women go to Voyeurweb and Redclouds to see real "amateurs". There's plenty of Tumblr and porn sites to see pro porn models that are truly stunning, so why not keep VW and Redclouds unique to us true amateurs who simply love to share our pics.
By Merlin52
#94511
The devil ends up being in where to draw the lines. Some are clear, others, not so much. When the rule was fist made about pros, there were some contributors that fell on the other side of the line because they submitted photos to Malibu Strings in exchange for a free bikini. I fell on the other side of that line because of this http://imagesprophotography.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. I'm actually a computer network consultant, so only a semi-pro photographer, and I never won a contest anyhow, so mostly it wouldn't matter, until someone gets upset about pros, and the torches and pitchforks come out. Someone accused me of stealing some images once, simply because they recognized my model.

There can be a lot of dispute in the grey area.
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By pussy4all
#94756
Now the pornstar Ginger Lee, well known from the Anthony Weiner scandal, is in the freestyle section.
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By holliebaby
#94757
Thanks for trying to keep all things Amateur on here, despite the efforts of many to destroy it.

As for Elise, she is for sure the "real deal". I have been posting on mainly two other sites for many years where I was once fairly well known. Elise and I were on one that starts with the letters WW together for many years, she was a favorite of mine and many others and we often shared comments and encouragement back and forth. She is the one that got me to come over here and try VW, where she is now a legend. Even though I never really caught on here as a model, I had fun with the COFF guys and Elise was very active there with us all at one time until things changed and we all moved on.

She is a sweetie and and a hot woman and a REAL amateur. Whatever money she makes doesn't come close to covering her expenses for dressing up nice and buying great equipment and posing in nice places. She does it for the same reason I did it, she enjoys it and loves to thrill you guys.

Thank you Elise for being real and REAL sexy. My hubby and I have always been and will always be huge fans and we will always have your back !!!

And thank you guys for calling out those who cheat and steal pictures from other places to call their own. I am glad someone cares.

Hollie
By Jbe
#94910
Hollie, IMHO you never did give yourself enough credit. I always thoroughly enjoyed your posts and camaraderie on the boards. I've always thought you are a very attractive woman and also very sexy. So what if you aren't a 20-something. To me "sexy" is 95% attitude... and you project that in spades.

I'd take you over a lot of those 20-somethings any day.
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By holliebaby
#95022
Thanks old friend! I have been playing and posting a lot on the explicit boards these days. I an really enjoying it over there and have found my second wind. Lots of very nice comments there. I hope everyone here is doing well!
By SomeDude
#96800
Holy cow! The ladies chimed in while I was away...and they're long time favorites! Elise and Holliebaby are exactly my favorite type of contributors (indeed, some of my favorite contributors and have been for many years) precisely because they're doing it for THIS site and are doing it with someone (I've always assumed a boyfriend or husband, but that doesn't really change anything for me - this isn't a dating site) and are HAvING FUN WITH IT. NN is a relative newcomer, but also clearly an original that's having fun. Hooray!

Elise, I well remember the days of the model mill right before the collapse of 2012. Multiple "amateurs" would be using the same Hollywood-style plywood diorama sets down to the paintings on the wall and the lamps on the nightstand and would be so sloppy that you could see past the edges of the set where the drywall ended. I suspect a lot of those ladies and/or the studios behind them are now in the webcam/camgirl biz where you can see a lot of the same silliness, but it converts to money better than the chance of a payout here. That year really was where the VW family hit the wall and never fully recovered. There's been no administration in the forums, response to reports, or vetting of contributions for long time that's visible from the viewer side since 2013 or so. (THe other site spun off from all that is a ghost.) I hope this site is more competent for the contributors and, hopefully for you, the payout side. The sad thing is that even once the scammers are publicly called out, nothing ever happens. There are a few whiffs of that Model Mill remaining, but even those aren't what I've been blowing the whistle on. It's the people copying from other sites that drive me nuts.

I want this site to succeed because I want it to remain a place for the likes of you ladies - amateurs with a naughty streak that don't want to mess with starting your own pay sites, building a twitter/tumbler/whatever following, and (hopefully) have a good time along the way. You all have my admiration and appreciation!

Rugrollers, I don't know that I have a "focus". For me, this site predates web video and even now, it's pretty bad at it. It's the orchestrated photo shoots that have kept me here since the dial-up days. I've paid for subs off and on, but when 2/3 or more of the content was copied from xhamster, motherless, ftvgirls, or whatever, I quit. Maybe that makes me part of the problem. But even just seeing the still and even one pic from the RC/HC side, I recognize pros all the time so I have no doubt that the copy pasters are at least as bad there. Probably worse just because there's less competition, I'd assume...

Thank you for piping in, ladies. I hope all of you keep posting here as long as it makes you happy. I also hope the site gets its shit together to remember the foundation upon which it was built.
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By trevorpresler
#97191
Thanks for opening this thread! I should admit that it is a very long yet quite thrilling thread I've ever read! Keep it up!
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By FastFive
#97297
trevorpresler wrote:Thanks for opening this thread! I should admit that it is a very long yet quite thrilling thread I've ever read! Keep it up!
Thrilling? You like a fucking sheltered life is this is thrilling. :roll:
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By AlexandraJ
#103628
It's disappointing to see how prevent this is. We have won on another site that pays prize money a few times and have been required to send them a "proof" shot. It's usually my wife with full face which we don't show in our contributions (sorry) holding a sign with the sites names or something.
Unfortunately, they've gotten slower about actually paying the prize money, to the point of wondering if we'll really hey it this time. I'm hoping we don't have the same issue here.

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