[johnforbes]

Pretty clear exchange of access to power in exchange for millions....

[Clownkicker]

"Pretty clear exchange of access to power in exchange for millions...."-johnflubs

WHAT "millions," dimwit?

Nobody has ever found any evidence of Joe taking a penny, or that any bribe money even resulted from those calls.

[johnforbes]

Joe posed the salient query "Where's the money?"

The answer may well be in the 20 or so purported LLCs, and learning whether they have offshore accounts associated.

What supposedly happened was wide family involvement with Jim's decades-long career premised on Joe's political postion, and with all sorts of other family members gaining.

The power of Devon Archer's testimony was rather clear inasmuch as it apparently generated a rare Saturday letter about setting an incarceration time, which was a rather clear pre-testimony message to send, was it not?

The presumption of innocence applies, and much evidence remains to be assembled, but the story which seems to emerge is as old as time -- trading money for access to power (id est, what Joe's joining those 20 plus phone calls was about).

[elklindo69]

Archer testified that he could recall about 20 times when he and Hunter Biden were meeting with business associates, and Hunter Biden put his father on speakerphone. The conversations, Archer said, were only about niceties — “How’s the weather? How’s the fishing?” — but he said the signal from Hunter Biden was clear.

“There was not business content in these conversations,”

[johnforbes]

Please, both Clown and Elkin are smarter than that.

This was part of establishing "The Brand" where Hunter gets mlllions BECAUSE he can get his father (then VP) on the phone, and they had lists of wives and relatives of the business folks to suggest they knew them well and could supply the influence they sought.

The Trump family sells hotel rooms, golf courses, whatever. The Biden family had just influence to sell, and bribery is listed in the Constitution.

[elklindo69]

So Johnnie....

Are you going to tell the board that Trump didn't abuse the presidency for his personal profit?

From what I remember Eric Trump first claimed that the Trump Organization would put all foreign business deals on hold. Then not shortly afterward, they went and built additions to some golf course in Scotland?

Trump lied when he said they would stop foreign business dealings.

[Clownkicker]

Obviously, johnforbes isn't smarter than that.

He's still telling us how important is is that someone merely claims the Bidens made $10 million dollars from a shady deal, but he doesn't find anything wrong at all with Trump's family getting $2 BILLION from the Saudis. Really, he thinks an alleged $10 million that no one has ever seen and that Republicans have been looking for for five years without a shred of evidence that it even exists is somehow the end of America, but $2 BILLION on the public record is not worth mentioning. Talk about clearly trading money for influence. No one even disputes it.


"Back in April, The New York Times reported that Jared Kushner’s four years of Saudi ass-kissing and murder-excusing had paid off in the form of a $2 billion investment from the kingdom‘s sovereign wealth fund to his newly formed private equity firm. That struck a lot of people—ethics officials among them—as pretty shady given that far from having impressed would-be clients with his investing prowess, the panel that performs due diligence for the Saudi fund concluded that no one in their right mind would give the former first son-in-law a dime. Among other concerns, the panel noted that management was “inexperience[d],” that the kingdom would be responsible for “the bulk of the investment and risk,” that its fee seemed “excessive,” and that the firm’s operations were “unsatisfactory in all aspects.” Given those reservations, it warned that the country’s Public Investment Fund should stay far, far away from Kushner’s firm—a recommendation that was overturned by the fund’s board, which happens to be led by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, i.e., the guy who approved a plan to kidnap, kill, and dismember a journalist via bone saw and benefited from Kushner’s unwavering support within the White House and reported insistence that the prince could “survive the outrage just as he [had] weathered past criticism.” (Again, just so it‘s abundantly clear, the “outrage” and “criticism” were over a Saudi dissident and U.S. resident being chopped up into pieces.)

So, it wasn’t that difficult for people to put two and two together and infer that Kushner’s firm seemingly got $2 billion to invest—and at least $25 million to pocket regardless of performance!—as a thank-you for being so good to a human rights-abusing autocrat."-Vanity Fair

Yup, that's an undisputed $25 million dollars that the Trump family has pocketed on a single deal. Imagine what Trump traded away for THAT. Let's see if this bothers johnforbes as much as his ethereal $10 million that no one has ever found.
And this is the crime family that johnforbes still supports. Who gives a damn what it costs American democracy, eh?

[johnforbes]

Trump lost a few billion in net worth while president, but Biden and Pelosi gained enormously...

[Clownkicker]

That's what happens when your biggest asset is your name brand, and then you destroy your own name, dummy.

Trump was never actually worth anywhere near what he claimed. His alleged multi-billion net loss was all imaginary to begin with. Meanwhile, he stole millions from veterans, college students, gullible would-be fence builders, and a slew of current supporters who are cheerfully paying the legal bills for a billionaire while they think they are really supporting his political campaign.

Trump himself destroyed the value of his name. He's STILL destroying his own name further. Stop blaming other people for that, johnny.


It should be noted that johnforbes has no similar outrage for the Trump family's documented pocketing of $25 million from a single Saudi deal, just as I suggested he wouldn't. Clearly it doesn't bother him the way Hunter bothers him for some mysterious, hypocritical reason.

[johnforbes]

If Copernicus were still alive, he would revise his theory to note that hatred of Trump is, for some deranged souls, the very center of their "thinking."

Before 2017, Joe and Dr. Jill made about 400k, but from 2017 to 2019 about 17 million.

The only product they had for sale was what?

Access to power.

[Clownkicker]

As always, johnforbes has nothing but innuendo to form his opinions.

He's a gullible simpleton that way.

[johnforbes]

But what was the Biden family business?

Was it hotels, or golf, or water, or casinos?

No, it was selling access to a Senator, or VP....

[Clownkicker]

johnny, the Bidens didn't make any money when Joe was "a Senator, or VP..."

And if you aren't "a Senator, or VP..." when you started making real money, then you couldn't have made that money by "selling access to a Senator, or VP...." could you.

You simply made it up, as you make up everything you post.

If you really cared about how the Biden's made their money, you would simply look it up. But you don't care so you simply regurgitate the propaganda for dimwits that you swilled down from your handlers.

It turns out the Bidens made their money the same way virtually every Republican cashes in when they leave office; speaking fees, book deals, and overpaid employment in cushy jobs. There is nothing untoward in the money they made beyond the questionable (but legal) nature of so many other government officials cashing in when they leave office.
The difference is, in the case of the Bidens (unlike with the Trumps) there is a clear paper trail to the source of their money.

But don't take my word for it. Take the word of your eponymous financial publication.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelatin ... 4103881e42

Then, after you read the article, come back and apologize to the forum for your demonstrably libelous post.

[johnforbes]

Between 2017 and 2019, apparently about 17 million declared as income.

The House is saying that various family members got 21 million dollars coming in, but what product did the Biden family have for sale?

Wasn't it access to power?

[Clownkicker]

What? No apology?

What an asshole.

[johnforbes]

"The records show Baturina wired $3.5 million to Rosemont Seneca Thornton, a shell company belonging to Hunter and Archer, in February 2014.

Three-quarters of a million dollars was then transferred directly to Archer, and the rest was used to fund a new company, Rosemont Seneca Bohai.

The bank record shows a transfer of $3.5 million on February 14, 2014 and a transfer of $2.7 million to Rosemont Seneca Bohai on March 11, 2014. -

"During Joe Biden’s vice presidency, Hunter Biden sold him as ‘the brand’ to reap millions from oligarchs in Kazakhstan, Russia, and Ukraine. It appears no real services were provided other than access to the Biden network, including Joe Biden himself. And Hunter Biden seems to have delivered," said committee chairman James Comer (R-KY).

"It’s clear Joe Biden knew about his son’s business dealings and allowed himself to be ‘the brand’ sold to enrich the Biden family while he was Vice President of the United States."

In one instance, Kazakh oil oligarch Kenes Rakishev wired $142,000 to Hunter Biden's shell corporation to buy a new Porsche (which Hunter bought the next day), before a dinner was set up between the oligarch and Joe Biden, bank records show.

The president's son photographed himself smoking crack in his Porsche while driving through a residential area to the airport in June 2018
And on March 25, 2014, there were two separate transfers for $2.2 million and $200,000 respectively into the Rosemont Seneca Bohai account, which Hunter and Devon Archer used to receive other personal payments such as those from Burisma. The committee says Hunter then transferred the money into another Rosemont Seneca Bohai account that he and Archer were able to access.

After this, then-VP Joe Biden attended a dinner with Baturina, Hunter, Archer and others at Cafe Milano in Washington DC.

And guess who was left off Biden's list of sanctioned Russian oligarchs? Baturina.