- Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:59 am
#61283
"You didn't even watch your own fucking link did you?
They show the first edited version, then they show the unedited one. And both were actually edited."-tvd
Geezus, tvd, if a video is "edited", then it's not "UNedited", is it?
You haven't watched the unedited video but are pretending to know what it actually shows.
Again, I didn't post that link to show you the videos, fer cripes sake.
I posted it to show the difference between "liberal" and "conservative" news stories.
"You know, only a heartless sub-human like you could defend this process.
And that is exactly what you are doing."-tvd
Criminy, I'm not defending "this process".
I'm criticizing the edited video for being dishonest.
(And don't go saying I'm picking on your use of the wrong word. They are not remotely related. You mean "defending" and I'm not "defending" what you claim I'm defending.)
No matter what it's saying, it's saying it by being dishonest. I'm against people doing that, always.
The only thing I'm defending is honesty. You're happy to swill down the dishonest crap because you like what it says. You don't care that it is fabricated nonsense.
"I have presented my opinions many times in the past regarding abortion.
Why don't you read what I say a few times? You might get it."-tvd
And that's my point. You keep presenting your opinions but never bother to defend your opinions with any sort of argument. You keep believing that merely having an opinion and stating it is enough. It isn't. It's like an asshole--everyone's got one, and it means exactly nothing by itself.
Whereas I repeatedly give arguments for the things I criticize. That's why my posts so often end up being so long. I explain myself. You don't.
"You condemn me for "not having any argument to refute what you say...."-tvd
No, I don't condemn you for not having any argument. I criticize your insistence I should give a shit about your opinion when even you can't make an argument for it, and at the same time you can't refute what I said.
"Well you are doing exactly the same to my commentary. You have no argument to refute what I say.
Your own words.
" And I say they don't, so I guess that settles it, right? I presented exactly as much evidence for my opinion as you did.
If yours is good, then mine is good.
Or here's a novel idea: make a case to support your opinion why don't you?""-tvd
Geezus, tvd, you just don't get satire, do you?
I'm trying to tell you that you aren't making any arguments. You are making pronouncements.
I don't care about anyone's opinion. I care about whether they can support their opinion with even a smidgeon of thought.
In my quote above I'm trying to show you just how meaningless such unsupported pronouncements are.
The joke here is that you apparently got my point but refuse to apply it to yourself. :lol:
One can't "prove" someone is NOT doing something. One can only prove that they ARE doing something.
You claim PP is doing something. So you need to prove it, I don't need to prove they aren't.
"I will add one more thought. You claim tissue collection and "donation" is perfectly legal....BUT THAT DON'T MAKE IT RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't you even know the difference between right and wrong?"-tvd
So for fucks sake explain to us WHY it is wrong, if that point is so important to you.
I suspect I can do a much better job of explaining why I believe something is right or wrong than you can.
Here I didn't argue anything was either right OR wrong, but you keep attributing the opinion to me that I believe selling human body parts is "right", even after I told you I don't.
You don't know what I think about the moral issues here. We haven't been talking about moral issues around abortion. We have been talking about dishonestly edited videos and whether the initial post by Insipid is true or not. (As I said, it isn't, and I made a case for WHY it isn't.)
If you want to argue the moral issues around abortion rather than simply calling me "sub-human", then do it. No unsupported pronouncements. Make a case. I suspect you'll find you don't actually know why you believe something, you just do.
What makes abortion "wrong" to you? Don't pretend you know anything about what I believe until I tell you what I believe.
"I give two shits that it is legal. I know it is wrong."-tvd
Again, a pronouncement but no argument for that pronouncement.
Simply saying you know what's right and what's wrong but nobody else does is not an argument.
Simply stamping your feet and saying "But I don't like it." is not an argument.
We are talking politics and law as it is here. If you want to argue that the law is morally wrong, then start a thread about it.
"And the ONLY reason it is legal is because the legislation has followed after Roe V Wade, that first wedge, and mutated into this grossly wrong "woman's right to choose" of now allowing partial birth abortion. And selling the tissues.
Fucking "woman's right to choose" my ass. How about choosing to be responsible in your fucking techniques, and not get pregnant in the first place?"-tvd
So you are saying you were lying when you said it was sarcasm after I took you seriously on this point? :lol:
You sound deadly serious about it.
Sadly, your beliefs (as so many anti-abortion beliefs do) boil down to choosing to ignore the reality of people getting pregnant and saying you don't like human nature. Well waah, waah, waah.
When you're done whining, come back to the real world and talk about a practical solution.
And that comes back to what I asked you twice already. Your hypocrisy about 'sacred human life' but the utter refusal to take responsibility for all that life once you have forced people to produce it against their will.
You asked for a straight answer from me, I gave it to you.
I ask for a straight answer from you and all of a sudden you don't want to talk about it.