Open Discussions about the VoyeurWeb.com site
By contributor
#65138
Due to the small number of people who vote for WIS posts(around 4000-5000),it is possible to influence significatly the scores using few hundread fake accounts.It is possible actually to kick your opponent out of the competion because those few hundread poor votes can drop the score with 0,25-0,30.
The individual who runs Nu Beach and Smartsmart (same person) is applying this fraud for second month in a row.Based on what I have seen ,he uses no less than 300 fake accounts.This way each WIS post which may look competitive has 300 poor votes guaranteed.This equals to -0,30.
Here is an example:Smartsmart added 0,10 the last hours of the competition where as the posts in front lost 0,05-0,10
VW was alerted many times but there was not adequate action.Instead of excluding those fraudulant poor votes and calculating the result again,VW reduced the prize amount in the section.
My suggestion is to move WIS into members area or remove this sction for good.Otherwise this person will continue to laugh at you and us on his way to the bank
#66168
Lat month WIS ranks looked like....1.Smartsmart...2 Nu Beach
This month the situation is 1.Nu Beach...2. Smartsmart(changed the user name to NG Hunter)
As explained the same person runs those two accounts and is involved in voting manipulation.This way this individual collects more than 90% of the prize amount in this section ($1300 out of $1400)
Things will continue in the same fasion unless VW decides to take some action.I sent few suggestions how to stop this fraud but there is no response so far.
I see no point to upload exclusive content at this point because my post which would worth potentially 4,60-4,70 will be downvoted to 4,30-4,40
On top of that WIS is flooded with stolen content and reposts.Here is how things look now in WIS competition:
1.Nu Beach-repost,involved in votiong manipulation,runs two accounts
2.NG Hunter(former Smartsmart)-same as 1.
3.valikita-stolen content
4.namola-repost
5.numero-debatable quality
..............
7.cooct-stolen content
I would like to adress VW:you should either take some action or close this section as it already hit the bottom
#66239
Just a couple thoughts, as I have no control over what happens.

First, I don't really see a chain of evidence indicating that there is a manipulation or who is responsible. Maybe you have it, but I don't see it presented here. There is often a wide gap between suspicion and proof

The other thing you might not be aware of is that some time back VW put in place a number of filters, taking things like host names, IP addresses, and voting surges in to account. I don't know the current status, but those filters would make it difficult to cheat the voting.

Do you have IP address data, user data, or system logs to present?
#66328
Merlin52 ,things are so obvious that there is no need for any log files.Suggest that your post is losing score day after day whereas the posts which belong to the mentioned individual are going up all the way.Same pattern month after month.
Those filters VW is trying to apply are not effective.Here is what happened after VW applied those filter in October:
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... very-tight" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; 4,18
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... -beach-ass" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; 4,19
If you assume that those scores are fair,there will be no more comments from my side
#66395
And people here accuse me of stolen content all the time - LOL! A contributor like me, who really does take the images they contribute, gets really depressed at all the negativity and then when you look at the WIS section and see NOTHING but STOLEN content presented and it wins all the time - LOL again!

All you have to do is go to any other adult file share site and any of the nudist beach blog (just Google) and you will see these same photos EVERYWHERE!

I have contributed to this section before and all I get is "STOLEN - FAKED - POSED - Etc. Even when I sat right at the nude beach spot on Lake Travis in Austin Texas, a VERY famous nude beach spot, with my camera and telephoto lens and pushed the shutter button myself. Even went up to the ladies afterwards and talked to them. You can not get any more real than that!!!!!!!

WIS is really out of control!
#66430
I got the following message from VW some time ago:
...I have found over 200 negative votes from your account and over 250 5 votes on beachitos account that were fraudulent...
I will translate if that is not clear-my post had received over 200 fraudulent poor votes whereas a different contributor in the same section had 250 superb(which counts as 5) fraudulent votes.No need to be detective here to realize that the person with the superb votes was invloved in voting manipulation.
VW confirmed that a voting manipulation on a large scale was going on in WIS as I discribed above.
I got another message from VW with the voting stats for my post.
Here is a simple equation:I know the total number of votes for my post+I know the number of fruadulant poor votes for my post=I can calculate the influece of those fake votes
At that point it was -0,20
Regarding
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... very-tight" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I can say based on my experince here that this post had to be in 4,50 range.It was downvoted with more than 0,30.
Marlin52 and bigdeskjet it seems you both can not make a difference between 4,18 and 4,50 WIS post that is why you can not find anything wrong.
Regarding stolen content.Here is a list with stolen WIS posts for the last few months.Those posts had been reported and nothing was done:
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... nude-girls" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... ach....won" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; an award???
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... 0-wet-girl" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... exy-lady-2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... rly-beauty" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
#66750
I did a tineye search on some of those posts, and came up with nothing. If you want to prove them stolen I would say post the VW link, and the other location, perhaps contact the original photographer. Just the VW link does not establish them as stolen. You still don't have a good chain of evidence that I can see.

It would seem to me that if VW gave you numbers, that the filters were doing their job, otherwise where did the report come from?

Sometimes people do make accusations of theft with no evidence, it happened to me a couple times. I guess people that want drama or are motivated but paranoia or jealousy. Mostly I think they recognized one of my models, or my shooting style and assumed it was stolen because they seen my work before. VW never bothered me about it, but I did have a couple gremlins that kept insulting me until I stopped contributing. People vote for their own reasons. More explicit photos may get higher votes. Perhaps quality, at least until it exceeds what they believe could be done by an amateur, after that it is "unfair competition". Some vote for people they know. Yes, some people cheat, but attempts are made to control it. Something I know from running systems myself, it that it is not possible to control everything, or please everybody.
#67388
I thought things could not get worse but I was wrong.Here is the current ranks in WIS competition:
1.Stolen content
2.Stolen content(the contributor even admits that his post is stolen)
3.Stolen content
I am sure dozen reports have been sent already but there was no response from VW.I would not be surprised if those posts will be left to compete because VW does not care what is going on.I see no point to upload authentic content and compete with stolen images.
By SomeDude
#67389
Three out of three? Wow, that's more than Private Shots where only three of the top four are web rips or otherwise non-exclusive. See our monthly thread in the PS board for discussion of what a mess it is and how broken reporting really is.

It's indeed trivially easy to prove that all three of those have been around the web for years - as were most of the others by those same posters.
#67441
SomeDude,if PS stolen post is among winners, it is very unlikely the contributor will get his award as he has to provide a proof picture like...A model holding a sign VW winner.
It is not possible for WIS contributors to provide such pictures so it is very likely a WIS stolen post to win.It happened many times before
#67466
"Merlin52,I sent you a private message.I hope you will come here later on and confirm that you was wrong"

huh? My only point is that you were not presenting a very good case. I see incomplete, disconnected things that have multiple possibilities for how they came about, as well as a lot of conjecture. I have done enough computer related investigation to know that what appears on the surface, or how it appears to the layperson is not necessarily the truth. I have no idea if contris are stolen or votes are modified. I made no claims of any inside knowledge to be right or wrong about.

If you want to get in to an extended debate, or gear up for some great battle, I'm not interested. If you would like to wave some banner that you were right, go for it, I don't care.
By SomeDude
#67544
Merlin52 has a good point. You'll get more support from the group (not that it seems to help...) if you present your case to the group. I agree WIS is a train wreck with the stolen material, but you need to show HOW you're certain that one person has 300 accounts or that the top two accounts are the same person or whatever.

As an interesting point, http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... nd-redhead" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; is clearly the same girl on the same beach from the same vantage point at the same time as http://world-naked-bike-ride-2014.tumbl ... 5261753476" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; which was posted in 2014, but manages to not be the exact same pics. Interestingly, THOSE pictures have a Voyeurweb watermark on them. That post seems to trace to http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/3170219" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, but the pics are different enough that making this contri from that contri would have been impractical. Yeah, you can transplant an arm with a phone, but the sets are different enough that this contri didn't come from that contri, though they were both clearly shot at the same time by the same person. So there's a **** of question over it. Is this poster the same one that captured the pictures that were lifted from VW in 2014 and this is alternate shots? This poster has no contris before 2015, so was it an alternate account? There's something fishy, but it's not a clearcut case of recycling.
#67546
Some Dude,
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... nd-redhead" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; is a legitimate content,it is not stolen.There is no point to dig there.The girl in the first four pictures belongs to the same series you are referring to.She had been posted here about a year ago by the same contributor (under different nickname).He removed all his previous posts which is the reason you can not find the contribution.It is actually a repost with slight differencies.The problem is that I had my post removed last year due to the same reason-repost and same series.Obviously VW is not applying the same criteria.
This post is actually the only one which is not stolen among the top 6!!!
Regarding voting manipulation-I wrote above that last year VW detected 200 poor fraudulent votes for my post and 250 superb fraudulent votes for a post which belonged to a different contributor in WIS section.(confirmed by VW)
I know the approximate number of people who vote for a top WIS post (confirmed by VW).I know that poor counts as 1,fair as 2.......superb as 5.If my score drops the last 4-5 hours of Oct 31 th (last hours of the competition) with 0,15 it is very easy to calculate that my post had generated around 300 poor votes during those last hours.If my post looses 0,15 in a matter of hours and a different post is gaining 0,10 during the same time,things are very obvious.
Regarting same person running two accounts -Nu Beach and NG Hunter(former Smartsmart).We have the same location,same shooting techique,same camera and same post processing.I sent VW few more hints how to identify that those accounts belong to the same person but they did not care as usual.
#67886
VW is promoting a whole day a stolen post on the main page.Here it is:
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... each-blond" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Those pictures are actually mine and had been uploaded here a long time ago.
At the same time this authentic content:
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... -close-ups" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
is hidden somewhere in the backyard.One more proof how inadequate is VW menagement
#67900
That last image is on 57 other sites. The images are absolutely cropped from elsewhere on the web. http://www.brainparking.com/view/topic. ... nta_type=4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; for example, has less cropped versions of many of them. I don't know who owns them, but they're absolutely clipped from old pics that are all over the net.

Every single contri by Man Den is cropped from other sites. Seventeen contris in nine days, each featuring different ladies and each with a nonsense story and every one cropped from old web sets. Some of them are cropped just enough to throw off an identical match, but there's no doubt that Snow Hat Strip is http://www.elitebabes.com/courtney-a-pr ... -courtney/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; for example. Flashing on the Street? Cropped from http://www.buck1690.com/public-flash/fl ... wporn.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Submissions aren't check. Obvious patterns (17 DIFFERENT ladies in nine days?!?!) are ignored. Reports are ignored.
By SomeDude
#67949
We're agreeing that as bad as the OTHER sections are, WIS is out of control. I quit looking at it years ago because it was the same beach sets recycled from the same sites over and over but I see it has indeed gotten worse.

We're also agreeing that seemingly none of Man Den's photos are originals.

If those pics are yours and you think they're exclusive, you have some more DMCA takedowns to issue. They're on dozens of sites.
#69092
Yet another cheat from Nu Beach aka Optical Zoom.I thought this individual`s cheating repertoire included just multiple accounts and voting manipulation.It seemed I underestimated him.
What we have here:
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... ing-hungry" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
He had too many identical images with the same girl (pic 1).This could not guarantee a high score.So he added a different girl in the middle of the set (pic 5 and pic 6).This girl was fully exposed,but the face was cut to convince us we had the same girl.He went even further-added a third girl (pic 7) Of course we have again exciting position with no face visible.The towel however is different.
A contributor can combine his pictures as he likes.But when this is done intentionally to deceive us it is a cheat.
Same approach was applied here:
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/ ... yeur-shots" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Pic 6 is a very pretty girl indeed.Pic 8 and pic 9 display a different girl
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