[VWPublicRelations]

Hello Everyone!

As I have already been talking with 7,662 of you through the email address at officialvoyeurweb@gmail.com, I apologize for the delay to come on to the Bulletin Board and post this message so that I can address most, if not all of your concerns. I have been touched, in ways not describable by words, from the outpour of support that all of you have shown to VW.

I want to reassure you that Voyeurweb will live on, and we will continue to have the fun that we all used to have at all of our sites, RedClouds, Funbags, Babepages, Homeclips and more. Please know this: Voyeurweb is what it is because of you, and not because of Igor.

We remain committed to each and every Member and Contributor as each and every Member and Contributor has remained committed to us over the past 15 years.

While these are challenging times for us, Voyeurweb is not going anywhere. And we will never abandon the Community, the Members or the Conributors that we have all come to know and love as family.

I have read all of the topics on the bulletin board and I am aware of all the issues which you are concerned with. So, here are the official responses from Voyeurweb:

1. It is true that ******* ***** *****, AKA Igor as was his stage name previously on Voyeurweb, stole copyrighted materials from Voyeurweb and began a new site and has been attempting to dump all of the stolen copyright contents of VW into his new site. Needless to say, this is illegal. And needless to say, it is a reflection of lack of character and moral turpitude.
2. It is false that ******* ***** *****, (from here on as "*****"), ever owned VW
3. It is also false that VW is owned by multiple companies
4. The owner of VW is one individual, one man, with an incredible vision who, some 15 years ago, saw the need to create a comfortable and cozy "Home for Voyeurs", and set out to do so single-handedly, creating what we know today as Voyeurweb.
5. ***** was simply a contracted employee of Voyeurweb who had the bad habit of flaunting himself as the owner of VW in certain circles.
6. It would be misleading to describe the departure of ***** from VW as a "fall out" as ***** was never, and could never be in any close rank to being the owner of VW. ***** was a puny contracted employee who was trusted by the management of VW about some of the technical aspects of the site who then unfortunately took advantage of this trust and decided to engage in crimes of moral turpitude.
7. It is simple and straightforward what ***** is. He is a criminal who thought he could hijack the entire VW without any consequences, legal or otherwise.
8. VW began its "fight back" the second it noted the conduct that ***** was engaging in.
9. It is true that each and every VW Contributor has the right to notify the site administrator at this new proclaimed site by ***** and ask the site administrator to immediately take their picture down as this conduct constitutes unauthorized use of pictures on sites which have not been approved.
10. It is also true that each and every one of you whose pictures are being displayed at this site by ***** is entitled to significant monetary damages for violation of your privacy as well as for disregard of your authorization to use personal information about you.
11. Voyeurweb has already begun the process of getting a court injunction against ***** to cease and desist from displaying, disseminating, publishing, using any picture on his site that was previously submitted to Voyeurweb.
12. In addition, Voyeurweb has already begun what will undoubtedly become one of the largest, if not the largest, cyperspace copyright suit in history of the internet against *****. This suit will also mirror a criminal prosecution of *****.
13. Any contention that *****'s new site was an attempt to build a competitor site to Voyeurweb is without merit and will be dealt with harsh measures in both US and international courts.
14. All credit card transactions used by ***** for purposes of membership on unuathorized sites will further be subject to civil and criminal prosecution.
15. All Contributors are cautioned to permit the use of their pictures on unauthorized sites as one one permission could be deemed as a waiver of your privacy such that your pictures would then be able to be used on multiple other sites as ***** sees fit. In other words, if you let him do it once, then you would waive your right for damages, and your right for him not to publish it on additional unpermitted sites that he may be linked to.

All of you rest assured that VW will bend over backwards to protect your privacy in the home, you know as, Voyeurweb. As our lawyers are working round the clock to bring multiple injunctions in both US and international courts, we ask that you proactively send the message for your pictures and credit card transactions not to be used on any unauthorized sites by *****.

In closing, I want to specifically address a thread of discussions that pertained to this whole thing being a "stunt" or some behind the scene effort to build a sister site. This is unequivocally not the case. We have no deals, nor would the owner of Voyeurweb ever stoop to that level to have any deals for the purpose of creating a "sister" site.

While the events and actions of ***** have completely come out of left field for us, I, now, on behalf of the owner of Voyeurweb, the largest amateur adult website in the world, extend my deepest apologies for the brief interruption to our fun pages and ask that you just hang in there for a short while longer while we bring Voyeurweb back to you.

We will simply let our lawyers deal with ***** and his crimes. And we will move on and continue to enjoy the fun that we used to have at Voyeurweb which will be more exciting and invigorating than ever before. I cannot wait till you guys see what is coming back as Voyeurweb!

With Utmost Gratitude For Your Commitment, I remain

Sincerely Yours,

Katherine Lucas
Director- Public Relations
Voyeurweb- The Largest Amateur Adult Website in the World!

[JustMe]

It seems to me like this post is just a lot of finger pointing.

I think there are other concerns and priorities that should be addressed.

There is a (stolen?) database, that contains what information? Is it encrypted? Is user credit card information compromised?

I think that instead of having multiple forum categories here, such as "New site wishlist", you need to have one basic category that answers the concerns of the folks who made this site what it was, the contributors. As well as the folks who funded it, the paid subscribers.

Both have a very large stake in any further success of this site, and without making some basic confirmations and honest communications, it is simply a lot of hot air being spewed about.

What changes are going to be made so this doesn't occur again?

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6. It would be misleading to describe the departure of ***** from VW as a "fall out" as ***** was never, and could never be in any close rank to being the owner of VW. ***** was a puny contracted employee... <snip>

For someone who was just a "puny contracted employee", his name sure was plastered all over the site. He sure did have a lot of access for a "puny contracted employee".

I can understand your frustration and anger, but a more professional communications approach will be more well received by the masses here.

Just me

[VWPublicRelations]

No finger pointing, only facts..... Just me
It was some puny intern who almost brought the Presidency of Bill Clinton. While this puny contracted employee was no where near within the ranks to bring VW down, any puny contracted employee has just enough access to do something like this if they have evil intentions.

Igor, the stage name for *****, was plastered all over the site because he was the designated person who was the webmaster for the various sites under VW.

We will have another Igor but will make sure that he is more honest and decent than the old one.

And finally, VW could not be more frank and honest in its communications. Facts are exactly as they are in our Official Statement.

[JJandKJB]

Katherine,
Thanks for the statement and we will appreciate updates as often as there is news.
We trusted VW to protect our privacy and many of us are feeling exposed in some ways we never counted on.
Not that I am speaking for the group but I believe that if you really want to put our concerns at rest, if you really want to join the ranks here, if you really want to earn our continued trust, you need to show us your tits!
Then you can be one of us.

JJ

[VWPublicRelations]

I would love to oblige however just like dealers in Las Vegas cannot gamble in the casino where they deal, I cannot show my tits at the site where I work-- sorry, it is company policy. Hope that does not change your mind about how much I have really joined the ranks!

[FaunHearst]

Can the owner(s) and management of The Free Voyeur WEB state unequivocably that subscriber credit card numbers, other payment information, and well a member/subscriber login and password information is completely and 100% secure and in their control and has not be compromised by the actions of Igor?

[maestus]

Is it just me or does the phrase "puny contracted employee" some how negate the impact of this page of pseudo-legalese? I obviously do not have enough information to do anything beyond make assumptions based upon the sketchy information coming out from both sides, nor quite honestly do I really care (provided my identity/information has not been compromised). But this word choice makes me snicker...

[Stevenm]

by FaunHearst » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:31 am

Can the owner(s) and management of The Free Voyeur WEB state unequivocably that subscriber credit card numbers, other payment information, and well a member/subscriber login and password information is completely and 100% secure and in their control and has not be compromised by the actions of Igor?


The question asked by FaunHearst needs an answer. Can Free Voyeur WEB state that subscriber credit card and other payment related information, as well as member information is safe. I mean 100% safe and not compromised in any fashion.

[MrBiscuit]

Redcloudslover, it is YOU whom I suspect is the one "bogus as a football bat."
Give us a large break and shut your piehole. And stop being such an asshole!

[Vince]

So are we suppose to believe that there were no backups for the server on which voyerweb resides?

[Vince]

Who is AB Productions?

[Blacksheep]

We (Mrs. Blacksheep and I) are just looking for some assurance our privacy is in tact and thing's here get back to normal, already miss redcloud and the old format. Until we find out our privacy has been compromised we will remain loyal to RC and the VW community... but hurry up. LOL

Blacksheep

[JustMe]

But you have totally NOT answered the main concerns of my original post.

The fact that you chose to disregard my questions of whether the users credit card information was encrypted and/or has been compromised... speaks volumes to me, as it should to everyone who was a paying member here.

Fortunately for me, the credit card that was used here, has since been replaced by another.

No finger pointing, only facts..... Just me
It was some puny intern who almost brought the Presidency of Bill Clinton. While this puny contracted employee was no where near within the ranks to bring VW down, any puny contracted employee has just enough access to do something like this if they have evil intentions.

Igor, the stage name for *****, was plastered all over the site because he was the designated person who was the webmaster for the various sites under VW.

We will have another Igor but will make sure that he is more honest and decent than the old one.

And finally, VW could not be more frank and honest in its communications. Facts are exactly as they are in our Official Statement.

[Jackncarol]

So Katherine, what happened is you got bit by your own creation.

"Igor" was a character created to be the "owner" of VW and because he did his job so well and VW Admin never said anything otherwise that most folks believed him so when all this went down they loyally followed him to the new site he supposedly created.

Yes Virginia, there is no Igor.

[TnShe]

I know that some contri that I submitted here are now posted on "igor's " new site.I was wondering what is my next move?

[Topo]

@Justme

as far I know Visa or any other CC company will never allow API payment systems where the dealer get`s all creditcardinfo. In my country it`s forbidden by law.
Don`t believe it`s different in US.

Normally you get a confirmation with name, country, emailadress and amount of charge when a customer signs-up/pay with his CC - that `s it. At least the biggest US processors CCBill & Epoch do it that way.

And in case that any BS happen you can chargeback any CC charge if you have reasons for. Ok, for this you have to check your CC bills closely if you have unacceptable charges.

[cerebio]

I know that some contri that I submitted here are now posted on "igor's " new site.I was wondering what is my next move?

Well, I would say that it might be advisable to tell them to take your pics down, because I've seen elsewhere in this thread that not doing so may waiver your future rights to those pictures.

Although at least one request to take pics down was reported bounced by VC.

I'll quote/paraphrase DarknLadyJedi who sent a request to take down pictures that is worded really well (hope they don't mind):

Please remove all images labeled: <any label you ever used for your pics>. These pictures and any other images copyrighted by myself are not authorized for use by ******** or any parent or subsidiary company of ********. Any use of these images shall be considered a commercial violation of copyright law under the Berne Convention, World Intellectual Property Organization, and Law 15 of 1994 (Panama). A charge of $500.00 US per day per image shall be considered the fee for use of all such images used from this date, 12 June 2012, forward.

Signed this day, 12 June 2012,

[Jet]

I was once a devoted member of VW. My VW name was “Jet” and I contributed many, many, many pictures and videos in every section over a few years. I stopped when I realized Igor’s arrogant disregard for anyone but himself and have paid dearly for it since. I started contributing to VW, exclusively, just after I turned 18 and have never posted anything anywhere else. What I understood about the site was that my contributions where protected from use/publication by other sites and under my control with help from the VW staff and Legal department. I’ve always enjoyed having pictures of my naked body even before I was of legal age. Unfortunately, I believed that some of these photos may have got into a few of my submissions and tried to notify/discuss it with Igor via private e-mail and attempt to have them removed. Igor was clearly uninterested in assisting me in their removal from the archives and became demeaning and abusive in our e-mail contacts calling me names, often referring to me as a “stupid girl.” I also was under the impression that Igor owned VW so I didn’t know he had anyone above him whom I could speak to. I then turned to the public forums to incite Igor into action and to let others know how little control we (contributors) truly had over our submissions. Igor became furious with me and further abusive in our private e-mail discussions. He also blocked me from any further access to the forums. So I insisted that all my contributions be removed from VW as my trust was broken and no longer wanted any association with VW. It took months for my submissions to be removed from the archives as Igor was claiming there where “technical” difficulties. After all my submissions were finally removed I received a final e-mail response from Igor which was clearly furious, abusive and now threatening. The most disturbing thing he said in the e-mail was that there were a lot of people who had copies of my submissions and because of my actions; in addition to the fact I was no longer a contributing member of VW, I would receive no help from the legal department or anyone. Little did I know how real his threat was. Even though; as I said, I have never posted anywhere but VW, many of my submissions, especially my movie clips, started showing up on random sites almost immediately after that (3 years ago) and I have access to no help having them removed. The submissions have been appearing even more so over the past year and are now everywhere. Because of Igor? I’m pretty sure that vengeful little prick is at the bottom of it. I’m sure the New VW wants to be and will try be better, stronger and more supportive of their contributors and members. However, it has been my observation that if any company has a “trusted member” of their team such as Igor with too much power and little accountability anyone who is associated with that company such as clients, contributors and team members will get burned. Hopefully the New VW will succeed in righting the wrongs that Igor has committed and learn from their mistakes. I wish them “Good Luck” and hope they wish me the same.

[majicman]

But you have totally NOT answered the main concerns of my original post.

The fact that you chose to disregard my questions of whether the users credit card information was encrypted and/or has been compromised... speaks volumes to me, as it should to everyone who was a paying member here.

Fortunately for me, the credit card that was used here, has since been replaced by another.

Dude if you just read the forums they have said many times that credit cards were handled by an outside card processor and they did not collect the information themselves. That is how online sales work at most companies and it is why when you click that 'pay' button you get shuttled to a new https secure window that is actually going directly into the card processor. Card processors are third party companies normally not affiliated with the company they are collecting the money for, that company pays them a percentage fee for their service.

[rugrollers]

The original message states that admin has been communicating via email from officialvoyeurweb@gmail.com. We wrote to that address, but have not heard anything from them directly. Have others?

Rug Rollers

[Jackncarol]

Rug Rollers, think about how many emails they must be getting since all this drama started. You may never hear from them directly, and is probably one reason they started this BB, as well as for damage control.

[majicman]

The original message states that admin has been communicating via email from officialvoyeurweb@gmail.com. We wrote to that address, but have not heard anything from them directly. Have others?

Rug Rollers

I have to believe they are overwhelmed by trying to get site back online. They appreciate the thousands of emails of support but answering 7000 emails would mean focusing on something other than getting everyone back perving again and we don't want that :mrgreen: They are probably just scanning the emails with an occasional reply and then trying to respond in general with statements in the forums.

I own a business with many thousands of online customers and a forum that has hundreds of thousands of posts yet we are just two full time people. VW is slightly larger in scale but probably not that much and I'm just imagining what it would be like if this happened to my business. I can certainly empathize with them and from the outside looking in they seem to be doing very well all things considered.

[Kayne]

Katherine,
While I appreciate your statement forgive me for only taking it very cautiously.

I have been in, on and around VW/RC for 10+ years and even contributed in the distant past. I recall in the early days, people hanging out and even taking photos with "Igor" and since none of them are here to put in their 2¢ I will have to refrain from commenting further on that topic. If I am not mistaken, "Igor" was even a guest on a local talk radio show in Dallas around 2002-2003.
I have no clue who or what "Igor" is. I do know if "Igor" was simply a fictitious site mascot of sorts it would make no sense to put out the cover story that he went rogue since he doesn't exist. Just a mere explanation that a former employee is trying to steal the site and the persona. But to claim that this former employee was the persona known as Igor or used that alias (seemingly exclusively) and that he was simply a "puny contracted employee" (a strange choice of words from the PR Director) feels a little far fetched. But what do I know.

This was taken from the bottom of the splash page of FunBags a few moments ago: "Another High Quality Adult Site created and directed by famous Igor and Crew from the Free Voyeurweb. Powered by Igormania."

Bottom line is, this is all way too much drama for me, yet here I am posting this.
It will be sad to see a familiar website crumble to the ground but all good things must come to and end.
At this point I just hope that, whoever is in charge, holds good on their promise to fulfill the remainder of my membership. (charged on a single use debit card)

[kwizmaster]

It would be helpful for those of us who are late to the party if you could post where we should send any requests to remove photos and demands that credit card information be returned to the rightful owners (deleted, etc. . . ).

Further, even thought we are a fun loving community and love to joke around, official communications on this topic should be kept at a professional level. Calling the former "Igor" by his given name is great. Calling him "puny" isn't. Further, as all these communications will eventually be subject to judicial scrutiny, keeping it professional will not only allow you to carry more weight and authority with your members who are equally as appalled as you are over these events, but it will quite possibly prevent an unfortunate incident in the ensuing litigation.

[Suntann]

It would be helpful for those of us who are late to the party if you could post where we should send any requests to remove photos and demands that credit card information be returned to the rightful owners (deleted, etc. . . ).

Further, even thought we are a fun loving community and love to joke around, official communications on this topic should be kept at a professional level. Calling the former "Igor" by his given name is great. Calling him "puny" isn't. Further, as all these communications will eventually be subject to judicial scrutiny, keeping it professional will not only allow you to carry more weight and authority with your members who are equally as appalled as you are over these events, but it will quite possibly prevent an unfortunate incident in the ensuing litigation.

Your CC info was not stored at RC and the reason you had to input the info every time you renewed

[Stacy69]

I did a google search using Igor's real name, and one link that comes back is of a house he bought in Tampa Floriday in 2005 for over a million dollars. I understand that both parties agree that he was never the owner of VW/RC, but as an mere employee, it seems he was paid handsomely.

[txtruckerx]

Cool........

Hello Everyone!

As I have already been talking with 7,662 of you through the email address at officialvoyeurweb@gmail.com, I apologize for the delay to come on to the Bulletin Board and post this message so that I can address most, if not all of your concerns. I have been touched, in ways not describable by words, from the outpour of support that all of you have shown to VW.

I want to reassure you that Voyeurweb will live on, and we will continue to have the fun that we all used to have at all of our sites, RedClouds, Funbags, Babepages, Homeclips and more. Please know this: Voyeurweb is what it is because of you, and not because of Igor.

We remain committed to each and every Member and Contributor as each and every Member and Contributor has remained committed to us over the past 15 years.

While these are challenging times for us, Voyeurweb is not going anywhere. And we will never abandon the Community, the Members or the Conributors that we have all come to know and love as family.

I have read all of the topics on the bulletin board and I am aware of all the issues which you are concerned with. So, here are the official responses from Voyeurweb:

1. It is true that ******* ***** *****, AKA Igor as was his stage name previously on Voyeurweb, stole copyrighted materials from Voyeurweb and began a new site and has been attempting to dump all of the stolen copyright contents of VW into his new site. Needless to say, this is illegal. And needless to say, it is a reflection of lack of character and moral turpitude.
2. It is false that ******* ***** *****, (from here on as "*****"), ever owned VW
3. It is also false that VW is owned by multiple companies
4. The owner of VW is one individual, one man, with an incredible vision who, some 15 years ago, saw the need to create a comfortable and cozy "Home for Voyeurs", and set out to do so single-handedly, creating what we know today as Voyeurweb.
5. ***** was simply a contracted employee of Voyeurweb who had the bad habit of flaunting himself as the owner of VW in certain circles.
6. It would be misleading to describe the departure of ***** from VW as a "fall out" as ***** was never, and could never be in any close rank to being the owner of VW. ***** was a puny contracted employee who was trusted by the management of VW about some of the technical aspects of the site who then unfortunately took advantage of this trust and decided to engage in crimes of moral turpitude.
7. It is simple and straightforward what ***** is. He is a criminal who thought he could hijack the entire VW without any consequences, legal or otherwise.
8. VW began its "fight back" the second it noted the conduct that ***** was engaging in.
9. It is true that each and every VW Contributor has the right to notify the site administrator at this new proclaimed site by ***** and ask the site administrator to immediately take their picture down as this conduct constitutes unauthorized use of pictures on sites which have not been approved.
10. It is also true that each and every one of you whose pictures are being displayed at this site by ***** is entitled to significant monetary damages for violation of your privacy as well as for disregard of your authorization to use personal information about you.
11. Voyeurweb has already begun the process of getting a court injunction against ***** to cease and desist from displaying, disseminating, publishing, using any picture on his site that was previously submitted to Voyeurweb.
12. In addition, Voyeurweb has already begun what will undoubtedly become one of the largest, if not the largest, cyperspace copyright suit in history of the internet against *****. This suit will also mirror a criminal prosecution of *****.
13. Any contention that *****'s new site was an attempt to build a competitor site to Voyeurweb is without merit and will be dealt with harsh measures in both US and international courts.
14. All credit card transactions used by ***** for purposes of membership on unuathorized sites will further be subject to civil and criminal prosecution.
15. All Contributors are cautioned to permit the use of their pictures on unauthorized sites as one one permission could be deemed as a waiver of your privacy such that your pictures would then be able to be used on multiple other sites as ***** sees fit. In other words, if you let him do it once, then you would waive your right for damages, and your right for him not to publish it on additional unpermitted sites that he may be linked to.

All of you rest assured that VW will bend over backwards to protect your privacy in the home, you know as, Voyeurweb. As our lawyers are working round the clock to bring multiple injunctions in both US and international courts, we ask that you proactively send the message for your pictures and credit card transactions not to be used on any unauthorized sites by *****.

In closing, I want to specifically address a thread of discussions that pertained to this whole thing being a "stunt" or some behind the scene effort to build a sister site. This is unequivocally not the case. We have no deals, nor would the owner of Voyeurweb ever stoop to that level to have any deals for the purpose of creating a "sister" site.

While the events and actions of ***** have completely come out of left field for us, I, now, on behalf of the owner of Voyeurweb, the largest amateur adult website in the world, extend my deepest apologies for the brief interruption to our fun pages and ask that you just hang in there for a short while longer while we bring Voyeurweb back to you.

We will simply let our lawyers deal with ***** and his crimes. And we will move on and continue to enjoy the fun that we used to have at Voyeurweb which will be more exciting and invigorating than ever before. I cannot wait till you guys see what is coming back as Voyeurweb!

With Utmost Gratitude For Your Commitment, I remain

Sincerely Yours,

Katherine Lucas
Director- Public Relations
Voyeurweb- The Largest Amateur Adult Website in the World!

[Jackncarol]

It makes sense that VW Admin says that "Igor" has done all this and to discredit him since "Igor" is using that same name to draw people from VW/RC/HC to the new site. Think about it folks.

[Roxboro1]

s 4. The owner of VW is one individual, one man, with an incredible vision who, some 15 years ago, saw the need to create a comfortable and cozy "Home for Voyeurs", and set out to do so single-handedly, creating what we know today as Voyeurweb
Ok.. so why then when Months ago when The deviation from voyeurweb.... to yoursexytits... Was brought up on the voyeurweb Bulletin Board... which is what "Igors Site" is now opperateing on.... why the hell would this not raise eyebrows months ago?????? And then the introduction of links to ******** instant ass flash being added right into atit flash not raise questions to all of you who work at voyeurweb????? I mean..I merely visit this place and I noticed this immediately... and questioned it... this was months in the working...how the hell could it now be a suprise....Someones lying like a motherfuck here...!

[machx4]

Like 'justme' I would like an answer about the credit card info. Is it or is it not safe?

[Jackncarol]

Machx4, not trying to be a spokesperson for VW, but they have stated numerous times that the CC info and other billing was not maintained by them but by an outside billing company. I know that for our website Sensual Sanctuary the same is true, CCBill handles all our billing and even as site owner I never have access to any of the CC numbers, just names, dates of membership (including expiration dates of membership) and locations. Now if a site has a merchant account and handles their own billing then yes, they would have that data, but not if they're using an outside billing company. So in other words, if they didn't have that info then Igor would not have that info so all CC info should be safe.

[VWRed]

Regardless if Igor was owner or not, his name has always been associated with the spirit behind VW. I find the choice of characterizing him as a puny employee as unfortunate - it at least shows bad judgement on part of the management/owners of the site, to have given him the power that he appeared to have had.

It disturbs me that pictures I have sent to VW are now found elsewhere on the web, regardless if it's Horrible Igor's fault or someone else's. You've got your work cut out for you to convince me, and probably others, to submit pictures in the future.

Good luck - cuz it has been a good and fun run!

[WTF]

We're not hearing a fraction of what really is going on.

[LXIX]

It is all well and good that past contributors can request, nay, must request that their images not be used and could even be due "significant monetary damages." It's great that VW is seeking injunctions and initiating possibly the "largest cyperspace copyright lawsuit" ever. It's nice that "Igor" will be subject to judicial action for any use of credit card information used on an unauthorized site.

I am not a lawyer but i would have to imagine that any of these action will require the records of VW (including member, contributor information) to be made part of public record. Now this couple, as I am sure many other members/contributors, are not ashamed of what we do here. On the other hand we have no desire for what we choose to engage in in private be revealed to anyone other than who we chose to. We took to heart the assurances provided by VW, RC & HC that what we did here was relatively anonymous, as much as anything on the internet can be anonymous.

Ok, so "Igor" is a bad guy and you're gonna get'em good. But, where was this mysterious "single man, single owner?" Who is this person that I can only assume was sitting back on a boat in the gulf of mexico, collecting checks as his "puny" contract employee ran him into an extremely actionable position. I would like to see some responsibility taken here.

Also, get rid of MMF as contributors to RC and HC. It destroys the fabric of what VW was as much as "Igor" and the Mysterious "Single Owner" who was asleep at the wheel have.

[leunam]

I do expect that RC be back on track soon!
Meanwhile...
I make Faunhearst's words my own - my real concern now is that my CC and personal data are safe!

[RonBrand]

As a long-time lurker and former RC/HC member, as well as someone with a legal, PR, marketing and Internet background, I call bullshit on this entire affair.

I've never in my life seen a public relations statement with language such as this, nor do I believe this whole ridiculous story about Igor, his supposed non-ownership of the site, and his falling out with the "real" owners, none of whom have come forward, identified themselves or apologized for this interruption and misappropriation of your photos and videos.

Finally, if this really was an issue of trademark, copyright, theft of intellectual property and the privacy rights of members, I would expect to have seen this entire affair splashed all over the mass media. If this Katharine really is a public relations expert, then she would be playing the media like a fiddle right now, playing the victim role to the hilt. After all, what is more attractive to CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and their ilk than a salacious story of porn, stolen files, porn, amateur photos, porn, intrigue, porn, and a protracted legal battle where ownership of servers, intellectual property and naked pictures is at stake? It's certainly much more interesting than the troubles in the EuroZone or the Obama/Romney thing.

Come on, people. Do you seriously believe this crap? Or are you the same people who believe it when you're told that the word gullible isn't in the dictionary?

I don't know what the real story is (although the idea that this whole cockamamie fable has been concocted in order to allow someone to abscond with your money makes the most sense so far), but what we're being told by both sides clearly is not the truth. Wake up and smell the Astroglide, people!

[luckydogg]

Well fucking said my friend. I call bullshit on this whole deal.

[Stacy69]

Is there a site we can go to, to lookup legal documents regarding the pending lawsuits against Igor?

[dicke811]

A little detective work on Sunbiz.org brings up some interesting information.

[nate73]

What I find interesting in all this is why is the VC site up and running posting all these stolen images. One would imagine if The VW legal team, or any competant legal counsel for that matter would get a court ordered injunction to shut that site down until the legal aspects of this are resolved. I'm no lawyer but something about this whole thing is not right from a legal standpoint. I guess this must fall under some sort of international jurisdiction.

[AndreaRed]

As a former contri poster I can only tell that this looks more a feud between investors than any other thing. One taking off with the most valuable aspect of the business (the database) and the other just keeping the name and leftovers. Truth to be told the quality of VW has been declining sharply in the past years. From a very basic website that we used to check for that out of focus voyeur picture it grew to a great place were voyeurs and exhibitionists shared a common space, with great quality pictures and good support from the webmasters. Then it kept growing, the 'pros' came, the prices started flowing (and the same people started winning them).... and the old true voyeurs/exhibitionists started to leave. We never submitted a contri to win, we did it because it was fun.... and one day it became commercial, so that day we stopped submitting. For those that are concerned about their pics being all over the internet I can only tell them that that sound a little hypocrite... you submit pictures of yourself naked to a free website and then you complaint if they are all over the place? c'mon that's the fun part of it!

Kisses Andrea and Red

[overload69]

Okay, so I had to re-register just to be able to post this. So I sent an email to the email address you listed, and I guess I'm not one of the 7,662 who was important enough to get a response. Not sure why. I should have somewhere around 44 days left in my membership at Homeclips. Here's my question: if my login and password are gone with Igor, and you didn't save any of my credit card info, how are you planning on restoring my paid account? You have no way of knowing who I am (FYI, my login is the same as my previous one), or that I had paid for a membership, or how long is left on that membership. Are you guys psychic or what? Has no one else thought of this? You all didn't bother to backup any of your info? All I know is that the quality of the posts has been going steadily downhill since the days of amber lee, motel69star, and pandora, and really downhill in the last few months. Case in point, the belly dancer of last week was just about the worst I've ever seen. Final question: you may not have kept my credit card info; how do you know IGOR DIDN'T?

[JamesC]

I finally found the article from Wired from a number of years ago about 'The Naked Truth' of Porn and found one paragraph particularly interesting:

A thicket of legal issues confronts noncelebrity sites as well. The biggest danger comes from the Child Online Protection Act, which was passed in 1999 but has been in appeals courts ever since. COPA was designed to shield children from porn, but merchants are worried that conservative prosecutors could use COPA to put an end to online porn altogether. As a result, the owner of Voyeurweb, known as Igor Shoemaker, says he's prepared to shutter his US operations on a week's notice.

But that may not be enough. Given the Internet's reach, porn sites find themselves breaking obscenity laws around the globe. "There is no way to say what I do is legal all over the world," Shoemaker says. "Some countries have no law at all. But I would go to prison for what I do in Germany - they don't even accept our type of age validation. They want a notarized copy of your driver's license."

Shoemaker's solution: He's incorporated the company in Panama and other loosely governed nations. "Voyeurweb is owned by corporations around the world," he says, "and they are liable for it."

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.02/sex_pr.html

[shadowrydr]

My golly, there are so many holes in the statements made by Kathrine that I'm just going to let others point them out as they notice them. One thing that I find very interesting is this BB system is the exact same BB system being used on the site Igor supposedly tried to lure everyone over to.

[MDP]

Once again threatening consumers. You have no right to tell us what we can use or go to if we pay for the service. I have no idea who advised you to plaster such a message but you are out of line.

I could care less what your lawyers do to this IGOR or your employees but don't ever tell people who paid to subscribe to your website that they can't go to this other website. It is not illegal to do so unless you are buying stolen software or pictures. If it is posted it is the web owner who is violating any copyrights, if any or if signed a disclosure.

So knock it off and get my access back that I paid for or refund me my money for what is left in the subscription. You are not very smart make accusations without legal counsel that is slanderous and without merit until a court decides what was down legally or not.

Get the site back up and STFU or refund my money one or the other.

[vwAdmin]

My golly, there are so many holes in the statements made by Kathrine that I'm just going to let others point them out as they notice them. One thing that I find very interesting is this BB system is the exact same BB system being used on the site Igor supposedly tried to lure everyone over to.

phpBB is one of the most popular Bulletin Board software packages available. It's free, relatively easy to setup and was put in place as a temporary place to convey information and give the rather large user community someplace semi-familiar to go while we sort through the chaos of the last few days and get the VoyeurWeb site back up in operation.

vwAdmin :ugeek:

[Pipe]

Wow, that was Igor's real name? That's a mouthful. Thanks Katherine for the offical statement. No wonder he chose Igor as his handle..lol.

Every morning at 5:00am, wake up, computer, email, banking, sports and finally the well thought out voting on VW. Hope it comes back soon. I am lost.

[overload69]

After 2 days of reading this bullshit, all I can say is that my built-in crap detector has been setting off alarms and shooting off fireworks since the first sentence I read. To paraphrase Shakespeare (on a porn site, no less): Something is rotten in the state of Voyeurweb. I worked for a major electronics retailer as a catalog and web copywriter before the bottom dropped out of the salaries in that field. A disgruntled employee crashed the website and messed it up big-time. It took the company five hours to re-load a backup, de-bug the software and get the site back up. There just isn't that much "code" on a website to where it should take anywhere near this long. If you don't believe me, click on the source code listed as an option in most browsers. It's about as complicated as coding a phototypesetter used to be (I did that, too). The login gateway portal is the most complicated portion. And anyone who doesn't keep multiple backups of something people pay for is either stupid or malicious.

[shadowrydr]

My golly, there are so many holes in the statements made by Kathrine that I'm just going to let others point them out as they notice them. One thing that I find very interesting is this BB system is the exact same BB system being used on the site Igor supposedly tried to lure everyone over to.

phpBB is one of the most popular Bulletin Board software packages available. It's free, relatively easy to setup and was put in place as a temporary place to convey information and give the rather large user community someplace semi-familiar to go while we sort through the chaos of the last few days and get the VoyeurWeb site back up in operation.

vwAdmin :ugeek:

You might want to delete the "Views" column if you want to continue to make people believe the Voyeurweb still has a rather large user community of vistiers.

[sweetballs]

Add me to the list of people calling "Bullshit". I've been visiting VW and RC since the beginning. Over the years the site has always been more primitive than other sites of this nature. The BB was obtuse and lacked many features of a real BB system, VW admin was unresponsive to the users and failed to communicate site issues to the users. RC/VW allowed assholes to run rampant and chase great posters away. The site has been offline for 2.5 days now. One of the excuses was that 'we are doing some long-neglected maintenance". What a crock. An operation of this size with multiple servers keeps up with server maintenance and replacement! It's the lifeblood of your business! They keep good backups too in case there's a catastrophe! The RC site was so primitive, users could not even change their RC login password. You had no easy way to get help, no help forum, no site issues forum, few user controls, no BB messaging, poor search, lousy look and feel...I could go on and on.

It is sad and frustrating that a community of friends who came to this site are now scattered to the four winds.

I came to RC for the community, not because it's a highly functional cutting edge website. NOW that catastrophe has happened and your bottom line is taking a hit, you're promising a newer and greater website. That's pretty transparent. Let's see some action instead of finger pointing and legal threats.

Restore your backups and get your half-assed site back up and running for your paying customers, and then work on creating a 21st century website. I'll be at ******** until you get it fixed, then I'll make MY decision on which site is going to get my renewal money.

BTW, the BB on the "illegal" VC site is light years ahead of the apparently now defunct RC BB.

The sad truth is that we users are probably screwed and will never find out the real story behind this mess. Sounds like the real story is a couple of rich fuckers getting into a pissing contest.