Open Discussions about the VoyeurWeb.com site
By VWPublicRelations
#1080
We are well aware of the long winded and incomprehensible messages that ***** is posting on his site.

This is not a tid for tad fight. ***** remains what he is: a puny and a disgruntled former employee.

We advise all of our Members and Contributors not to foster *****'s illegal and criminal conduct. ***** is asking RC and Homeclips members to put in their username and passwords into his website and is telling VW members that he will convert them into members for his site once they put in their username and passwords. This is illegal. Period. The usernames and passwords were assigned to you by VW , these are property of VW.

We have no control, nor do we want control over any Voyeurwebber browsing over other sites and paying these other websites, signing up for membership but the usernames and passwords that were assigned to you by VW cannot be used to sign on these other sites. That is stealing.

I will post the lawsuit that is being filed regarding the injunctive relief that VW is seeking to stop ***** or anyone from using their username and password assigned by VW to sign on to *****'s site to convert their membership. There are very serious laws with harsh punishment for that kind of stuff. Again, each person can do what they want, but they cannot use the property of VW to sign on to another website- this is impermissible in all jurisdictions both in the US and internationally.
Last edited by VWPublicRelations on Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:16 pm, edited 1 time in total. Reason: post it as announcement rather than a post
By Dude
#1086
I don't like your Threatment, unprofessional blaming with words like puny etc.

You should learn to get professionall, sry.

Maybe Igor is not n angel but for sure he is more social and professional with his postings.
By Dude
#1091
redcloudslover wrote:They are both Liars and Neither is profetional its a joke the whole thing is a joke
In my country we say sweep in front of your door first before blaming your neighbours

Hope this make sense
By VWPublicRelations
#1094
redcloudslover wrote:That all well and good but VW is denying us access so why dont YOU put the link to the third party biller YOU claim to use , so we can cancel our memberships with you until this mess is sorted out.

I have asked numerous times and you wont tell us and we have a right to know
Wait a minute. We are not denying you access to anything. We will have the site back up. If we were not going to have the site back up, then you could say you are being denied access. But we are working round the clock to return VW to you. It has been only since Saturday that the site is down. We will give you extended membership for the time period that the site has been down. So, I cannot understand your position. Do you want to never come back to VW even if it is up and would like a refund?? When did you begin your membership and how far are you into your membership.
By VWPublicRelations
#1102
Dude wrote:I don't like your Threatment, unprofessional blaming with words like puny etc.

You should learn to get professionall, sry.

Maybe Igor is not n angel but for sure he is more social and professional with his postings.
Listen- I know full well that you are playing both *****'s BB and this BB against each other. VW will not be interested in your membership under any circumstances. We are not in the business of allowing people like you ratched things up just so that you can be entertained. We only want to serve Voyeurwebbers who are interested in the naked, amateur truth-- that exposes tits, pussy and a whole lot of fucking, not this back and forth that you are doing between *****'s BB and this BB. If you believe that we are liars, then do not waste your time coming on to this BB.

Provide me with your username and password so I can permanently delete your membership and issue you a refund. I would love to do that.
By legend
#1119
redcloudslover wrote:We are denied access and I want to know who is the third party biller. The fact your not telling us would suggest there is a problem. I will charge back my charge and report you guys to the BBB.
If your comments weren't so pathetic they would be laughable. Or maybe if your comments weren't so laughable they would be pathetic. In either case, after reading several of your posts, I am beginning to think that you are indeed the elusive Igor, sewing discord among the unthinking and uninformed. You demand to know the third party biller when all you have to do is contact your credit card company. Yes, let me say it again, all you have to do is contact your credit card company. They will be able to help you if you are really interested, however I believe that you are not really interested in a refund but rather spreading fear and discord.

You said "The fact your not telling us would suggest there is a problem". What was your first clue. Maybe it was when the site froze over the weekend. Maybe it was Igor's message on the Home Page. Maybe it was when the site disappeared on Monday. Maybe it was when this BB popped up to replace the site. If the site was going to disappear, it would have. It's doubtful that the VW management would keep this BB going if it wasn't attempting to get the site back up.

As far as your threat to report them to the BBB. Oh please, spare us all of your drama. Is that you or your mommy talking. Do you really think the BBB is going to rate a porn site??? Do you really think a porn site really cares about the BBB. In all my years of surfing porn on the internet I don't think I have EVER in my life seen a porn site with the Gold BBB Medalion on the home page and "Approved by the Better Business Bureau" emblazoned across the Homepage. Your threats are pathetic and laughable.

All of your postings are negative and intended to sew discord among Voyeurwebbers and Red ***** members that are patiently waiting for the site to come up.There are thousands and perhaps hundreds of thousands of members waiting patiently and you are demanding individual attention like you are sitting in an emergency room bleeding from a 2" hole in your skull.
You need to sit back, take a couple deep breaths and maybe count to 100,000.

It's a porn site.
Shit happens.
Give it a rest.
By frogmanstud
#1129
Katherine,

I understand that there is a lot of bad blood and sides have already been chosen. I've been a loyal VW lurker and member since its inception. I think VW has had some very good ideas and have very much appreciated the FREE aspect of your website (Haters - read that twice) as well as enjoyed watching the website evolve over the years. You have a great product, I'm happy to be a paying member and I look forward to your return.

VW fans - Please listen? Nasty split, nasty divorce....whatever! It is clear to me that Igor has violated numerous laws as most (if not all) of the content on his website was taken directly from VW. I don't care if you're an Igor fan not - you have to see that his activites are illegal even on the most basic level. Maybe VW doesn't want to admit that they gave Igor a little too much power, and now Igor is using that power against them. Maybe VW is lying to us all by telling us that Igor was not the mind behind VW. Again, who cares? Do we really want to take sides in this fight? I mean, at the end of the day when you want the quality of entertainment that you have always found on VW, who really cares about whom to blame? Just get the site back up and lets all be happy....and naked again!
By VWPublicRelations
#1134
redcloudslover wrote:We are denied access and I want to know who is the third party biller. The fact your not telling us would suggest there is a problem. I will charge back my charge and report you guys to the BBB.

What 3rd party biller? You are throwing out words which simply do not exist! Tell me what 3rd party biller you are talking about and who put this in your head? No such thing exists. Do as you wish but you need to first know what you are doing.
By Reaper
#1147
Not to put too sharp a point on it, but...please do your best to act professionally. It will inspire confidence in those of us who are caught in the middle of this thing. That includes not resorting to name calling. If you are a director of PR, act professionally and earn our trust.

On to a more important point: please disclose the name of your credit card processor, and the date of your last PCI DSS audit. If you really want to provide confidence, post your most recent ROC. those of us who know will be able to read it and help inspire confidence that cards haven't been compromised.

Thanks
By VWPublicRelations
#1150
Reaper wrote:Not to put too sharp a point on it, but...please do your best to act professionally. It will inspire confidence in those of us who are caught in the middle of this thing. That includes not resorting to name calling. If you are a director of PR, act professionally and earn our trust.

On to a more important point: please disclose the name of your credit card processor, and the date of your last PCI DSS audit. If you really want to provide confidence, post your most recent ROC. those of us who know will be able to read it and help inspire confidence that cards haven't been compromised.

Thanks
I will get this information to you. Please give me an email where I can attach the information you are asking for. If you know about credit card processing, you should know that credit card numbers are not accessible to VW management or to any of its employees or former employees. But I will get this info to you.
By Stacy69
#1153
There are 3rd party billing companies like CCBill that allow other parties to run transactions through CCBill's merchant account, but Redclouds didn't use a 3rd party billing company. They used their own merchant account under Igormania. You'd simply call your CC company to inquire about refunds etc.
By VWPublicRelations
#1155
redcloudslover wrote:How can you issue us a refund if you dont have our Card details ????? Or do you ?

This gets merkier and merkier , YOUR IGOR ARENT YOU ???
You would have to show us proof of your credit card charges that was made by VW. Refund only comes into question if the site does not come back up. The site is coming back up. You will be extended on your membership- for the amount of time that we were down.
By chefjoe
#1158
I currently use my nic(username) and password on a few different sites. So.... does every site own the name and password as mentioned at the start of the thread. I picked the name and password. No site ISSUED me anything. I would think that I own them since I chose them.
By VWPublicRelations
#1167
redcloudslover wrote:So see you did do the transactions on your servers , you have the cards and details

I got nothing else to say all of you are full of crap both sites are scamming us

enjoy our cash
I never said that we did transactions on our servers. We do not have the cards and details. Can you think of something more interesting to talk about?
By CLOUZEAU
#1190
VWPublicRelations wrote:Can you think of something more interesting to talk about?
Katherine you're getting very aggressive and unprofessional, may be you should get some rest!

Before you leave, how come the site is down for so long, don't you have any servers anymore? no backup?
Strange indeed!
By doctorjonn
#1194
... but the usernames and passwords that were assigned to you by VW cannot be used to sign on these other sites. That is stealing.
I don't like change, I don't like disharmony,
I Do like the way VW/RC was displayed,
but for you to say that my ID & password belong to you is wrong

I have used my ID & password on RC for years, also, I have used the same ID/PW combination on other sites, [not always a good Idea,] but I'm old & my memort ain't what it could be, I consider my ID & PW MY property, not VW or VC or any other site's property, MINE!

lets get the site back to what it was, with minimal difference, minimal disruption, & lets have the BB's up & running again soonest please

can we forget who did what & move on, repair what needs repairing & lets all see some good threads as we used to do

sorry for the waffleing
By doctorjonn
#1195
... but the usernames and passwords that were assigned to you by VW cannot be used to sign on these other sites. That is stealing.
I don't like change, I don't like disharmony,
I Do like the way VW/RC was displayed,
but for you to say that my ID & password belong to you is wrong

I have used my ID & password on RC for years, also, I have used the same ID/PW combination on other sites, [not always a good Idea,] but I'm old & my memort ain't what it could be, I consider my ID & PW MY property, not VW or VC or any other site's property, MINE!

lets get the site back to what it was, with minimal difference, minimal disruption, & lets have the BB's up & running again soonest please

can we forget who did what & move on, repair what needs repairing & lets all see some good threads as we used to do

sorry for the waffleing
By BigDickMick
#1204

So let me get this right. "We" pay $30.00 a year for membership and "we" make up our own username and password that "we" use just for us but YOU actually own them?

So under your misguided thought process if I bought a car from you, and paid you in advance for it, you would actually still own it and be able to tell me how to use it?

Man would I like to be on the jury for that one!
By 78champxx
#1225
Please explain how MY user name, that I selected and MY password, that I selected, is the exclusive property of VW?

I look forward to the relaunch of VW, but I do believe that if I choose to enter my user name and password at VC in return for a free membership, I am certainly entitled to do this.
By Blacksheep
#1244
Katherine
The sooner you can get the site back up and running (as close as possible to the original format) the sooner all this bitching and gripping will go away. It does look like Igor was in charge all along, his site is up and running and this BB is just a bunch of people bitching, griping and wondering what the hell happened. We'll continue to monitor this and remain loyal to VW, however, all this public whining is a bunch of crap! Get the site back ups and running already. Did you not have back-ups of your member data base that Igor did not steal?

Blacksheep
By MrBiscuit
#1249
Katheryn, you need to realize you are wrestling with a pig. It should have
alrady dawned on you that he enjoys it. Give this loser a rest and go back to
taking care of your business. You have done all you can to pacify the members
under the circumstances. I look forward to things getting back to "normal."
By veryconfused
#1250
NEKROS wrote:We would just like the "old site " to return.... Any idea when that would be?
Thanks,
Cupid's Arrow
Clearly there is no old site anymore ... this is just a forum on a completely new server and a re-directed web address. Kind of disappointing as we all loved the old site.

Frankly, I'm a little concerned at the unwillingness to allow people to cancel memberships and unwillingness to be clear on credit card details - the details are obviously not handled by a third-party biller but instead by a party related to 'this voyeurweb' - the same 'voyeurweb' that claimed all of the usernames and passwords were stolen so I personally wonder about the level of security (but each to their own in forming opinions there I guess).

For me, I'm on the way out but that is more to do with this person purporting to be "Katherine Lucas, Director-Public Relations" who didn't exist in cyberspace until less than a week ago ... rude to "puny" Igor (whoever that is), rude to anyone asking questions on billing/cancelled membership and just generally very unprofessional.

It's a shame because I was a very satisfied customer for many years :(
By gtx076
#1254
Boy the tone on here by VW is disturbing. This is their problem and they are attacking and threatening us for being upset. This a good way to ensure your members will not come back.
Threatening us about going to another web site is like Lowes telling it's customers that they may get in trouble for shopping Home Depot if Home Depot agrees to take their Lowes card.
While Igors actions may be illegal it is not illegal to visit his web site.
I have not been very happy with VW's recent changes to mix in professional models with the amateur content. Creating a separate site and advertising on VW is perfectly fine, but mixing the two different contents is not what I come here for.
By sracer
#1266
VWPublicRelations wrote:
redcloudslover wrote:So see you did do the transactions on your servers , you have the cards and details

I got nothing else to say all of you are full of crap both sites are scamming us

enjoy our cash
I never said that we did transactions on our servers. We do not have the cards and details. Can you think of something more interesting to talk about?
The old saying goes along the lines of giving someone enough rope and they will hang themselves. As a long time fan and member - and "lurker" that does not know any of the players and has only one interest (getting VW/RC/HC back and end the drama), I'm getting tired of the "war" being waged by a few trying to defend/justify what appears to be a nasty dispute that we're caught in the middle of.

Katheryn - appreciate what you are trying to do, but many do have a very valid point about you getting sucked in by using wording that shows your frustrations. As the "mouthpiece", you can't get sucked in - using "attack" words like "puny" simply adds fuel to the fire and encourages the "other side" to keep the pressure on because they are getting to you.

At this point, it's clear that it's a few posters that want to cause havoc and confusion - and they have a very different agenda. They are most certainly working together, and possibly could be the same person based on phrasing, etc.

The more they can suck you in, the happier they are. If they can take little things and blow them out of proportion, they win. One example is this whole CC thing - and I almost got sucked in based on the "3rd party use" comment they seized on. Thanks to others that clarified things further. There are actually several ways for into to show up on our statements - who the merchant actually is or who the billing company is. When companies don't want their real name to show, they can either use the billing company or register a "doing business as" name with their merchant provider.

Those that understand how things work know this whole discussion is nothing more than a smoke screen. The processing company used handles all the card info and links to the ACH. Merchants have a merchant number with the company and transactions handled by them return a transaction ID and approval code along with name of customer, amount and batch number that the transaction is in. Still not sure - just look at a credit card slip when you use a card in person.

Refunds have nothing to do with card numbers as far as the merchant is concerned - what they have to have is the transaction ID and approval code (date helps) to process a refund.

Katheryn, please stop getting sucked into things. Stay with the facts, avoid the hard to avoid emotional reaction name calling/digs.

99.9% of us want to know simply one thing - when will the sites we love be back. Your responsibility to membership is just that. Updating us on what is happening is fine, but stay with the facts - keep the emotions out of it. The feud is of interest to only a few - and mainly those that have a destructive agenda. Carrying out the feud here is not where it belongs. Stay with just the facts we care about and taking individual's specific concerns off-line is best because then the specific concern can be handled by two responsible individuals interested in dealing with that specific concern.

thanks
By Corwin
#1322
Since I choose my password, and it happens to be the same password I use on some other sites, VW does NOT own it. VC may have broken the law by coping the username/password database, but my use of MY password is not breaking the law.

Your logic would require every person to have unique userids and passwords for every site.

I have been a long time supporter of VW and I will continue to be. I look forward to the return of VW (minus the MFF).
By VixenHotwife
#1323
I do not think anyone can decide which side is on the right, and which has acted in an illegal and unmoral manner
I do think the childish way facts have been presented on the two rival BB destracts from their impact.
Especially calling someone a "puny emplyee" is silly.
Once again, my belief is that this is all about money... not who is trying to present a better porn site.
By wanderlust
#1348
I would like to start by saying I am not a huge fan of Igor's. He played faves, allowing some to get away with what ever they wanted and if you treated his faves like they treat others, Igor would ban you while allowing his faves to continuing behaving badly.

That being said, I am not so happy with him being called a puny little employee. he was here from the start he helped build the place and thus he is more than a puny little employee. I fully understand that you are beyond upset about this and I fully understand that he more than likely stole from you but to say we are not entitled to use the username and password that we paid for is just wrong and vindictive.

please stand back look at what has happened and how you are letting your anger control you. rather than bad mouth Igor let the courts do what they do, they will end his BS and you will own everything he now owns ending his time in the sun. Please do not let your anger put a **** over this place that does not need to be there.
By bearcella
#1382
chefjoe wrote:I currently use my nic(username) and password on a few different sites. So.... does every site own the name and password as mentioned at the start of the thread. I picked the name and password. No site ISSUED me anything. I would think that I own them since I chose them.
I have this problem too. I use the username for things like my email (its just for the playtime/naked stuff). I thought it was okay to use the same username for more than one place.
I don't want to be in any sort of legal trouble with anyone. But its hard for me to remember a whole bunch of different usernames and passwords at different places.
:(
By barelynoticed
#1400
Katherine, I know there are all kinds of people you are responding to right now, but I would recommend you take the high road, stop using the word "puny", and stop arguing with the membership. It's not worth it. If you are legit, than I expect to log into redclouds before the end of the weekend. You could have brought on a service, ghosted the site, and managed a user id renew and update by now, but I'll give you the weekend. The way you are handling the communication and the delay has me concerned. Igormania on the merchant ID; that is a serious lack of control, and your communication about Igor and in response to some people here has me concerned. What I am politely getting to is that VW needs to step up because the bantering and the delay is not worth the busfare that is left on my membership. The fact that any one employee could do this reflects a negligent void of internal controls. I would rather hear time-line updates and efforts that will improve the situation, and leave the din of the blue-balled conspiracy hillbillies alone.
By mrbigcox
#1403
Hello Katherine,

I am the owner of the largest adult web site of its kind on the planet. Im the guy that started the whole penis plugs thing. I have enjoyed Redclouds for such a long time. Honestly, I go there to hide...LOL Is Redclouds going to be back up? I guess my main question is.......Can you send us all an email that we registered with and let us know when you are up and running? I so miss the Amateur postings. Amateur is what set redclouds apart from all the rest. As far as Models for Fun :cry: .......A dime a dozen.

As far as all the drama...... I feel sorry for you. I see in some of your postings that it has gotten too you a little. I hope all works out well for you soon. ;) Dont sweat the small stuff.....In life, its all small stuff.

Play safe, Be well.....
By mrbigcox
#1404
Man O man!!!!!! Everything is down!!!!! Would someone please be so kind as to send me a pic of their boobs or something???? LOL Just playing..... Now Im just damn bored!!!!!
By Suntann
#1411
redcloudslover wrote:So see you did do the transactions on your servers , you have the cards and details

I got nothing else to say all of you are full of crap both sites are scamming us

enjoy our cash

For someone with a name like "redcloudloer" you sure seem to be bitter. Shall we take up a fucking collection so you can get your money back, then you can delete your profile and leave!
By Kayne
#1422
VWPublicRelations wrote:
redcloudslover wrote:So see you did do the transactions on your servers , you have the cards and details

I got nothing else to say all of you are full of crap both sites are scamming us

enjoy our cash
I never said that we did transactions on our servers. We do not have the cards and details. Can you think of something more interesting to talk about?
Katherine,
Somebody in your camp really needs to take an on-line course in Public Relations because you guys definitely suck at it.
Let me help you out
Rule #1 Put out the fires by putting out the facts, all of them, swiftly.
Rule #2 If it is not pertaining to rule #1 or profusely apologizing, STFU! You are just digging a deeper hole.
There will be a quiz on these two rules. A comprehensive understanding of these rules must be demonstrated before further lessons will be administered.
By tango
#1442
my user name and password belong to me not you, I assigned it not you, you only have it because I gave it to your data base
By tango
#1447
I am a long time member, but for you to say you own my user name and password that just rubs me the wrong way. You do not own my user name nor my password, I created both when I joined. I own them both. You have no ownership you only hold them in your database for my use.
Does not mean that I want to use your database for other log ins but I still own my own name and password, it is mine! I can use it anywhere anytime I want!
Tango
By Reaper
#1507
Thanks for the reply. Pease send the ROC to me at reaper98765@yahoo.com. I'll take a look through it and share my thoughts with the community.

There are a lot of ways to do card processing on web sites. In some implementations, the merchant NEVER sees the card, and in others, the card transits the merchant's servers or may even be stored on the merchant's server and database. The ROC will make it clear where you sit on that spectrum.

Please delete the email address before you post this message to the forums. No need for a lot of spam. Thanks
By bigbuzz2x
#1547
OMG People! Can you all quit whining about the less than $2.50 a month you pay to be a member. We want the site back up and running. We are hoping to see that most of our old friends decided to stay here and continue to evolve with VW. We have been here over 10 years. For some ths is not just a porn site. For some relationships with other members have been formed and those relationships have been broken off right now. We are in email contact with a lot of them and we still discuss everyday life.

If we end up with a new user name so be it. We will keep the Sunny in there somehow, too many watermarks done.
By Getoverit
#1566
I think your all a bunch of shit stirer's.
If it was not for this bb most of you Igor and VW would not be stirring up the shit So here's a hint (GET OVER IT)
Go back in to your hole and shut the fuck up sorry you haven't been able to jurk off for a week over somebody's wife . Again "GET OVER IT"
If you were my kids I would beat the shit out of you and send you to your room Bunch of assholes .I said my peace fucking baby's
By lydmar
#1682
My main interest is in the personal threads and once upon a time the genuine Photoshop - the other board does not appear to have these things so please get our boards up and running as soon as possible please

:geek:
By Skyy
#1685
Not to quibble, but I voluntarily joined Redclouds.

I chose my user name.

I chose my password.

I gave a billing company my credit card company.

The user name and password are MINE - not YOURS.

Get real, and quit threatening members of what was once (and, I assume you want to be in the future) loyal members of VW/RC. The last thing any members of VW and RC need are threats from you.

Keep it up, and I will just go away - you win the battle, I win the war.

(There, I feel better. Keep at it restoring the site, folks.)

;-)
By Reaper
#1778
I posted a reply to kathrine asking her to forward the ROC. I provided an email address as she requested. Pease send me the ROC so that I can assess whether your assertions about the safety of or cards are true. Please follow through on this.
By VWPublicRelations
#2025
Skyy wrote:Not to quibble, but I voluntarily joined Redclouds.

I chose my user name.

I chose my password.

I gave a billing company my credit card company.

The user name and password are MINE - not YOURS.

Get real, and quit threatening members of what was once (and, I assume you want to be in the future) loyal members of VW/RC. The last thing any members of VW and RC need are threats from you.

Keep it up, and I will just go away - you win the battle, I win the war.

(There, I feel better. Keep at it restoring the site, folks.)

;-)

What I said was that the username and password associated with our members is VW's property such that it cannot be stolen by an employee of VW so that he can go and start his own website and steal the traffic because he was able to have access to those usernames and passwords. Of course the username and passwords are yours- but it is VW's as well such that it cannot be stolen from VW. VW and RC members do not get any threats from VW Management.
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